r/Genshin_Lore • u/Polstead • 8d ago
Discussion (includes analysis) The Identity of the Blue Horned Lizard Spoiler
A lot of people have already noticed its mysterious appearances throughout the story.
My intention is to officially address this elephant in the room, gather all the information we have about it, and open a discussion about its identity and role in the plot.
I’m absolutely convinced that this lizard has a major role, especially regarding the disappearance of the Gnosis.
Let’s go in order, talking about its appearances and the theories that come from them.
First appearance:
the Blue Horned Lizard first appears during patch 6.3, on the table inside the Curatorium of Secrets. It witnesses the meeting where they discuss how to bring Columbina back.
Second appearance:
we are inside the Mausoleum of King Deshret. It witnesses the discussion about Aaru’s technology and the plans to modify it.
Third appearance:
at the border between Sumeru and Natlan. It witnesses the transfer of the Gnosis from Mavuika to Nahida.
The first detail that stands out is how the lizard always appears in situations of absolute secrecy, especially during the last two appearances.
In the first case, Aaru’s technology had already been used to completely isolate Deshret’s Mausoleum in order to prevent any outside interference.
In the last case, there was an elaborate plan underway to allow the Gnosis to be transferred without anyone noticing (keeping Mavuika outside the border and using the Traveler as a Descender).
It seems pretty obvious to me just how important the information gathered by the Blue Horned Lizard is, especially the information regarding the Gnosis.
About the Lizard’s Identity
I think it’s pretty obvious that someone’s soul resides inside the lizard.
We’ve had proof of this since patch 6.3, when we discovered that Dottore was conducting experiments on humans by transferring their souls into animal bodies.
Dottore himself explains it better in Anomalous Tree Marrow III:
Splitting the soul is not the most formidable obstacle. The next issue I must address is the mechanism of transfer, to ensure that the soul reaches its designated location.
First, we conquer the living world. Then, we head to the world beyond death.
I expect to begin with animal experiments. We can use the souls of others as the subjects of our experiments.
When theorizing about the identity of the soul inside the lizard, I’m basing myself on a narrative necessity: eventually the Gnosis will have to end up in the Tsaritsa’s hands, and the only person who knows Nahida has it is the lizard itself. So it’s likely that whoever witnessed the transfer of the Gnosis and later went to retrieve it is a follower of the Tsaritsa.
- Dottore himself. He’s the first person that comes to mind: he’s the one who possesses the ability to transmigrate souls and who intends to follow his enemies’ movements. However, this theory falls apart because in Anomalous Tree Marrow III it’s clear that Dottore conducted the experiments on others and not on himself, eventually arriving at the solution of digitizing himself:
Phase Two of the soul experiment is concluded, with losses staying below projections. Evidently, the channel of transfer is more critical than the total volume.
Digitization... That's a splendid idea.
It’s also repeatedly stated that Dottore split his soul into two:
I perceive a truly magnificent scene: one half of my soul enters the Ley Lines through death, while the remaining half is injected as pure data. My two halves would then navigate those pathways to converge with the information of the past.
I find the idea of a secret third fragment of his soul pretty unlikely, especially because his arc found a perfect closure in the latest AQ, and it would feel strange to see him appear once again.
Pantalone. I had started developing a crack theory where Pantalone was actually a blue horned lizard that Dottore had acquired from animal traffickers, experimenting on him and eventually giving him an unstable human body that required the elixir to stay alive. The real “Pantalone” would therefore have been the lizard itself. I was getting really invested in this theory after noticing the purple pattern and the design similarities between Pantalone and Baizhu, who is also closely tied to a reptile (Changsheng). But this theory also falls apart, because in Anomalous Tree Marrow we discover that Pantalone is a 400-year-old human being.
Pulcinella. I also started a theory about him, based on the fact that many fae are shapeshifters. Still, I find it highly unlikely that Pulcinella would personally step into the field, going all the way to Nod-Krai and Sumeru considering all the responsibilities he has in Snezhnaya as mayor.
Another Fatuus. I find it strange that such an important task as recovering the Gnosis would be entrusted to someone who isn’t a Harbinger, but the lizard could be the result of one of Dottore’s human experiments, tasked with secretly spying on our protagonists.
If instead we move away from narrative necessity, the possibilities widen, and the blue horned lizard could be:
One of Dottore’s test subjects. A human being who became the victim of the experiment and wants to get close to us but doesn’t know how to communicate. But in that case, why have it witness the most secret and important plot developments?
The Voyager. This theory is based on the power used by Dottore when he created the energy fields to conduct his soul transmigration experiments: the power of the Light Realm.
The “digitized” pattern of Dottore’s field is extremely similar to the power used by the Heavenly Principles. It’s the same pattern we find on the fake sky barrier, on the field generated by Irminsul (modified by the HP) to protect Sumeru, and in the “control center” of Naberius.
So it’s possible that Dottore, in his attempt to emulate the Heavenly Principles, used the power of the Light Realm just like they did.
Aaru also uses the same technology, and we know that the power used by Deshret was brought to him directly from Celestia by Nabu Malikata.
In light of this information, we can theorize that the Heavenly Principles were aware of the power to transmigrate souls through the power of the Light Realm and used it on someone. My thoughts go to the punishment inflicted on the Voyager, whose consciousness may have been transferred into the body of an animal.
Even with this theory, I realize how complicated the plot could become if the Gnosis ended up in the Voyager’s hands when sooner or later it has to reach the Tsaritsa. Unless we imagine them as allies, considering that both are at war with the Heavenly Principles.
Could the blue horned lizard actually be the missing Tenth Harbinger?
Having established the importance of this new “character,” I think I’ve listed all the information we currently have and all the theories I could come up with for now.
Do you know of any other appearances? Do you have any other theories about its identity, or is there one in particular that resonates with you?
It would be amazing to expand this discussion even further.
As always, thanks everyone for reading.
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u/Myriad10 7d ago
Too sus not to be something indeed.
Also anyone know why Nahida send a message to traveler during her treatment with Apep? Did it ever get mention incase I missed it? Which I think I didn't
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u/Ecstatic-Source6001 7d ago
It was a such a sus message which didnt help with current AQ at all.
So it must be for something in the future.
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u/raginghunterseeker 7d ago
is it the one along the lines of "the statues are hung inverted, but one is unique"?
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u/Myriad10 7d ago
Yes they didn't address this which is sus
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u/Unfair_Chain5338 7d ago
The device she gave to traveler was used during cutscene - allowed Nahida to connect.
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u/cardamombiscuit 4d ago
That reminds me.. has there been any follow up to Venti's inverted statue when we first met Dain? I thought when the Mondstadt expansion arrived there would be more news about the missing statue but I guess not.
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u/perfectchaos83 8d ago
I'm kinda sold on it being Dottore. I feel it makes less and less sense if it isn't (outside of it just being a regular ass lizard).
On that note, these are my 100% beliefs on the subject: 1) Villain Dottore is dead. Whatever is left has no villainous nature nor intentions. 2) It's not a Segment in the way the other segments were. 3) It's acting alone and not from orders of others or Villain Dottore or anyone else.
I'll also bring up something else, MC Escher (the name sake for Dottore's disguise, Escher) had a fascination with drawing lizards. It could be related or it could not be related. Just something I found interesting about the whole thing.
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u/Yani-Madara 7d ago edited 7d ago
Agree and adding that I highly disagree with OP that "Dottore got a perfect ending."
Because we have nothing about Zandik's POV, we only got Omega's POV.
There remain too many unanswered questions about Zandik some are:
-Why did he create the segments and how could he "freeze time" to make them?
The Escher mystery since he was copied as an older man but the real one was in the Temple of Space.
Zandik was suspicious of Thoth. 6.6 it's stated Deshret was a good judge of character for putting precautions against Thoth. I do not believe that Genshin's Aizen levels of plotting character never suspected the segments.
As such, if he left some sort of back up plan to save his consciousness or memories and be reborn as an entity not bound by fate, he would hide it from the segments.
- The Chibi in the CN Livestream was suspicious as hell. It referred to Data Dottore as a separate entity from himself and we know Omega was the boss. Therefore the chibi is Zandik or another segment. Why would Hoyo put a dead character speaking on the livestream?
This is some next level kind of misleading... Unless it's Zandik manipulating time. (He is stated to have frozen time to make the segments in the AQ.)
It was a deliberate choice not to make a tiny Data Dottore + have the chibi mention the boss is not him.
Like the Chibi, Zandik's return would make him a friendlier character because it would be so boring to keep bringing the same villain to kill over and over.
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u/perfectchaos83 7d ago
Agree and adding that I highly disagree with OP that "Dottore got a perfect ending."
I would agree with OP on this on the caveat of Omega Dottore only. He completed his arc. I do think that Omega's story concluded pretty definitively. You can clearly do more with Zandik and I do think there's a few oddities relating to the collective. Escher (even if he's not directly related to Dottore) and the lizard definitely raise questions.
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u/Yani-Madara 7d ago
I can understand your take. It feels like all the "goodbyes" were towards Omega specifically.
The segments needed to all die so Zandik's soul can be whole again.
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u/L3murCatta 7d ago
I would like to point out that Zandik himself is unlikely to be less malicious than his Segments. He wasn't exiled from the Akademiya for nothing. It is, however, realistic, that the ages have softened him just like they have softened the Pillars.
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u/linaazz_kira 6d ago edited 6d ago
Zandik would have the ability to change unlike the segments who were frozen in time - which Omega lamented at the end of his discussion with Pantalone, saying that he was "restricted". He was at a dead end.
The traveler mentioned the idea of "change" during 6.3, but Omega was not even entertaining it - he knows he’s unable to and perpetually stuck at his 35yo self which is admittedly his worst and most selfish/cruel era (hence why Nahida’s "insult to the very concept of life" qualification of the segments).
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u/QueenAra2 6d ago
I mean don't we explicitly know he bassically murdered his fellow student?
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u/todayisawmyfuneral 1d ago
No. It’s highly debatable (and imo unlikely whether he did. It’s never explicitly stated.
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u/AudieMurphy135 Teyvat has its own laws 6d ago
An interesting thing about the lizard, is that when Thoth picks it up, the camera angle is tilted. Nearly every single shot of Dottore in 6.3 has a tilted or inverted camera angle.
https://i.postimg.cc/GbSBtRNf/image.png
Here's a video with all of the Dottore cutscenes for reference:
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u/Unfair_Chain5338 7d ago
Note: iner fabric of Pants cape/jacket has scales.
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u/scarletfloof 7d ago
That and the color made me think Dottore gifted him Ursa’s remains after killing her in the manga
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u/Earthscale 7d ago
In another post, I joked that we could call them "Nibelung Jr.", but after reading your post, I'm now wondering if they really could be the Voyager; it would make sense. The tenth secret Harbinger who can transform into a lizard would also make sense, but I really hope they'll be a character who first introduces theirself without a title, becomes friends with the Traveler, and only later surprises us by revealing theirself as the Tenth.
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u/Earthscale 7d ago
...and now I'm imagining the lizard as a Harbinger. Not a shapeshifter, but the lizard itself. A simple plain average lizard, it would be hilarious. Maybe it was even at that funeral and we didn't notice.
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u/Blu_Bewwiz_Iciclepop 6d ago
Actually, the concept of a completely non-humanoid member in an otherwise all humanoid group (such as the Fatui Harbingers in this case) is very cool, Pulonia comes somewhat close but he wasn’t a harbinger and still has a relatively humanoid body even if the proportions are exaggeratedly bulky
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u/GintokisRightShoe 7d ago
Thinking about how the Tsaritsa seems to need every Gnosis, the lizard somehow working for her and stealing the Gnosis does make sense frfr
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u/Specialist-Mirror656 8d ago
Throughout nod krai I've also toyed with the idea of the missing 10th Harbinger being some kind of shape shifting Fae as well. The Snez teaser where the traveler is gunning people down also feels like it could be a kind of false flag attack by said shape shifter, since I don't imagine Hoyo is going to actually give us a gun
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u/Ecstatic-Source6001 8d ago
Yeah, i feel like lizard has nothing to do with Dottore.
But also I think it has nothing to do with even Fatui.
I think its foreshadowing future plot.
Like thats Gold or other shades spying. Maybe even one of the sinners.
(Also its 50% chance just trolling from HoYo 🤡👍)
As much as i want it to be Dottore (cuz he was good villain) but it will be stupid to this point killing him for the forth time
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u/Fearless_Peak3583 8d ago
What if the point of the lizard is that Dottore is reborn in a new body and a new life not shackled by his fate of Heresy (because Irminsul is gone)?
Mavuika did mention during the cutscene “cleansing fire”, and we saw all Dottores finally unite in hell. So maybe, his soul fragments finally reunited and will emerge as a new him?
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u/Particular_Web3215 Paimon without the 'mo' 7d ago
Could very whisky be either the sinners plotting or voyager hjacking the lizards body similiar to how she utilised her unnamed boy body
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u/AudieMurphy135 Teyvat has its own laws 7d ago edited 6d ago
I suspect it could be related to one of the characters in these stories that I talk about in this comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/1tn24m9/baizhu_as_a_segment_of_pantalone/onueyqd/?context=10000
tl;dr, perhaps the lizard is related to the story of the King of Midsommar Oak and King of Winter Icelea, and I suspect it could be a being that's capable of possession or shapeshifting. My current (highly speculative) thoughts of who it could potentially be are Voyager, Koitar (who may also be possessing the Tsaritsa in a mutually beneficial arrangement), Filipov, or Istaroth (or one of her "thousand winds"). The Istaroth bit requires some context from these three comments:
And yet it could still be some version of Dottore as well. An interesting thing about the lizard, is that when Thoth picks it up, the camera angle is tilted. Nearly every single shot of Dottore in 6.3 has a tilted or inverted camera angle.
https://i.postimg.cc/GbSBtRNf/image.png
Here's a video with all of the Dottore cutscenes for reference:
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u/Lower_Peril 8d ago
I'll spend money to C6 a character if Dottore comes back
(he aint coming back)
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u/markcan_killua 8d ago
I do like the theory that the lizard could be a major lore character that has yet to be introduced yet, whether it be the voyager (who’s known to high jack bodies) or even a sinner like hyroptatr the wise - since he’s the only sinner that hasn’t appeared in the present day story, only in memories.
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u/LyreaDreamzer 7d ago
In the Thoth screenshot was the lizard really resting on his arms in game?
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u/Mental-Ad-8756 4d ago
A bit late to this, but I’m more curious about why it’s a lizard of all things. A reptile. Like dragons. Although I’m not sure what vishaps are, they seem like crocodiles to me, but we do know that it’s implied dragons canonically come from eggs, as the saurians do.
I’d wonder if it was Apep keeping an eye on things, but the colors obviously don’t match dendro, and we first see the lizard in Nod Krai. Neuvillete also wouldn’t do such a thing.
Could be yet another similarity between Baizhu and Pantalone. If Baizhu has snake, why not Pantalone have lizard because Hoyo is just bursting with creativity lol
Though if we were to treat this like a detective the suspects of who it belonging to would be anyone we know that was in Nod Krai and then went to Sumeru. At the top of possibilities would be Nefer because it first shows up at her place. Next would be Dori, as she goes to Nefer’s place for business.
However it’s strange to me that Thoth doesn’t even question it being on his arm, and I’d think that Nefer’s cat would go after a lizard in its home.
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u/ShizukiShirano 3d ago
Its interesting as they didnt notice Nabu Malikata remains (which is kind of shard of the soul), then its no surprising that it can be similar situation with the Lizard soul.
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u/rosepetal_devourer 7d ago
Really nice you added each screenshot of the lizard.
Zibai was explicitly enduring after death through her three deadly selves - so why think a split of the soul into 3 is unlikely?
Even if the Doctor first experimented on others, he could have practised enough to conduct the animal soul transfer of one of his own deadly selves. Or it happened by accident when the tri-factor excision happened. But that is just my speculation...
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u/Healthy_Call_3073 7d ago
The thing that happened with zibai if far different. Three deadly selves- here selves refer to impurity in your soul that you must rid yourself of to attain enlightenment. When you battle them and are free of them, they simply disappear. Like imagine greed is one of your deadly selves, which when you defeat isn't present anymore, you are free from that sin. What dottore did is quite different. He used khaenriah tech to make segments of himself at different stages of his life by continuous fragmentation of his soul, and finally omega split his soul into 2 to conduct his final experiments.
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u/Miiohau 8d ago
Building off the idea it’s someone with similar goals to the fatui but isn’t necessarily part of the Fatui. What if it is the cryo sovereign or a servant of the cryo sovereign. The dragon sovereigns have various grudges against Celestia. Even the human friendliest dragon sovereign, Neuvillette, wants to judge the seven for their role in overthrowing and stealing the power of the dragon sovereigns. It easy to imagine one of the dragons allying with the Fatui to overthrow Celestia and the Heavenly Principles.
Also doesn’t the lizard just look like it might be cryo aligned.
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u/Jaynat_SF 8d ago
I don't believie it's related to the Fatui, none of the Harbingers left give me vibes of someone who'd do that.
I also don't see the shades being responsible, they don't need any help spying on Teyvat.
My best guess is that it's related to one of the sinners. Could be Ved, since he has a blue & serpentine motif going on and it fits his style. It could also be Hroptatyr simply because we know jack sh*t about him and his goals so he could fit any theory at this point.
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u/Zola_the_Gorgon 8d ago
Yup, I was thinking Rhinedottir/Naberius because of that gold/blue color scheme. Emphasis on scheme; Ms. Aura is completely incapable of minding her own business.
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u/GrumpySatan 7d ago
Yeah I can see this too. Rhinedottir also likes soul experiments and these are all events the Shades want to monitor.
The shades have their ways to spy on Teyvat, but we know Ronova and Asmoday's aren't really conspicuous with portals/eyes.
It'd make sense for the Shade of Life's way to be looking through the eyes of a familiar or animal they put a piece of themselves into.
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u/Particular_Web3215 Paimon without the 'mo' 7d ago
For the gnosis to not be detected by mav, nahida and trav who just absorbed it, it can only be someone on the same administrative level as the shades. Sinners fit that goal and there's enough logic as tow hy they want to get a piece of 3rd descender away from fatus and the seven.
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u/piny-celadon 7d ago
Why would they need it though? Why now? Why pyro specifically?
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u/Particular_Web3215 Paimon without the 'mo' 7d ago
Maybe 3rd descnder is literally the unnamed wouth who gained power after voyger split off and that's why voyager wants to start collecting her old host's body
For sinners side, sadly we know very little about ved and hrop so they can fir any theory. Only thing I can propose currently is that they want to reactivate inverted statue for abyssal shenanigans
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u/MycoM0mmy 8d ago
Very intriguing. As much as Dottore got his perfect conclusion in this AQ, as his unofficial wife, I’d be devastated if he was gone just like that
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u/SanicHegehag 8d ago
I believe it's a fragment of Dottore, and one that Pantalone is working with.
One of the remaining segments split itself, unbeknownst to the other segments, and this fragment survived the Dottore Purge.
This Dottore is following The Traveler, and is how Pantalone is one step ahead. Pantalone is working with this Dottore, and helping to ensure ALL other Dottores a gone. That's why Pantalone isn't worried about the Elixir of Immortality. He already has a backup plan with Lizard Dottore.
It also gives the opportunity for Dottore to return as playable, or to try to hijack a perfect body (maybe one intended for the resurrection of a Descender).
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u/kontis 8d ago
If it's Dottore I don't think Pantalone knows. Otherwise it would feel like a plot hole, since they very extensively discussed souls swapping and segments in 1:1 scenes, so completely ignoring the elephant in the room makes no sense - other than artificially keeping mystery from non-present player, which would be a really bad writing.
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u/Annie___123 8d ago
I really liked the theory that.. May be the one in the lizard was not omegas soul fragment.. But soul fragment of some other dottore
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u/lefboop 7d ago
It's only a plot hole if it was made by Omega Dottore. If it's any previous Dottore, or Zandik himself then it wouldn't just make sense, but also be consistent with the characterization of Pantalone's character.
He was clearly established as a schemer, and how often they talked about how Pantalone wasn't gaining anything out of helping seems like a clear hint at something extra going on.
So Pantalone could've easily been lying to Omega Dottore during those scenes. You could argue that's also why he didn't seem worried about losing his access to the Elixir of Immortality.
It also reinforces the idea that Omega Dottore's biggest hubris was his massive ego.
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u/Particular_Web3215 Paimon without the 'mo' 7d ago
Yeah pants and dott both confirmed that there were no more segments and that soul swapping was futile cause zandik would need ot survive. You can't just have characters explicitly confirm facts on screen then do a rugpull oh its lizard-ttorre the last fragments without undermining all the closure and emotional payoff of his death
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u/Ecstatic-Source6001 8d ago
I doubt such writing would got approved cuz its breaking storytelling.
You cant say audience there is left only one Dottore but it isnt.
But it checked with thought experiment placing memories in subject and then ejecting it.
Lizard can be his pet with memories about Dottore.
Also they planted this random "seed". Why would Dottore tell Panty about that random memory experiment if it leads to nothing
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u/Yani-Madara 7d ago
I doubt such writing would got approved cuz its breaking storytelling.
The final figure on the livestream is obviously Sandrone, who is stated to be dead even in Columbina's character profile.
I am suspecting the original Zandik because the game gave nothing on his POV, we only got Omega's POV.
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u/Ecstatic-Source6001 7d ago
With sandrone in the same quest they said in direct her body was transfered to Fontain research center (or something) so you kinda expect 2+2 (also stream secret character was a hinting so her revive is not out from nowhere)
With Dottore they said it was last segment, Zandik died in age 85, everyone who knew him said theirs goodbyes. Nahida concluded they will never meet again. Also he was Sumeru ark villain. Sumeru is fully completed. Dottore has no purpose in the story anymore.
If I know something about storywriting it was final conclusion to his story.
Not saying its impossible to bring him back but why? At this point it will be a lazy writing cuz they cant come up with new villains
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u/Yani-Madara 7d ago edited 7d ago
They said goodbye to Omega.
If they bring back Zandik it would be some sort of plot like his fragmented soul became whole again + he escaped fate so he isn't a villain anymore.
Even Rerir got that treatment
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u/QuantumPie_ 7d ago
I don't think it's fair to use Rerir as a comparison here. He was never purely evil in the same sense as Dottore until after he became corrupted by the abyss. He always seemed internally conflicted with his work despite still following orders. His ending was him finally regaining his sanity and accepting the consequences of his actions.
Zandik escaping fate has nothing to do with his personality changing. His original self always was an evil psychopath, and that is who he will always be.
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u/Yani-Madara 7d ago
His original self always was an evil psychopath
Nope, it's stated in the rare marrow drops that something happened that he "lost his compassion" as a child.
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u/DottoresPet Celestia Bad 7d ago
Dottore lost his compassion at age 8. Something must have happened to him. He was never born evil, and even before was burned he was never pure evil, please look up what pure evil means before throwing around the term carelessly
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u/nyxsiren7 8d ago
Agreed, it's meant to serve as an explanation for Dottore's future return. Lizards rely on sunlight to survive and Dottore somehow dies burning in flames, it cannot be coincidence.
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u/nyxsiren7 8d ago
It's clearly fragment of Dottore's soul making sure heroes do things as he planned. Anomalous Tree Marrow III lore pretty much confirms this.
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u/Ecstatic-Source6001 8d ago edited 8d ago
Lets be fare, its not "clearly".
First of all its just sus lizard with no any direct confirmation.
Tbh it might be the classic troup with "open ending".
Like they hinting experiments and Dottore could place his soul in random lizard (for no reason ofc, why would he experiment on himself but...)
So its just exist so people who sad about Dottore can cope that random Lizzard might be Dottore. But they will never expand on this.
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u/nyxsiren7 8d ago
If you read Anomalous Tree Marrow III lore, you will know that it's part of his soul. He explains his plan throughly. Pantalone also says "so you have some self-preservation after all". He even lets out a chuckle as he burns inside the flames. You can say cope but it's meant to serve as an explanation for his future return. Will it be same Dottore as we know? Who knows.
Hoyo chooses an animal that closely resembles Dottore spying on the cast for a reason. Lizards in Egyptian mythology represent resurrection and lizards are also known for habit of basking in the sun. How did Dottore die again? Right... burning in flames.
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u/Ecstatic-Source6001 8d ago
my point you said "clearly" while its not.
We have no sufficient data to prove anything.
Dottore had one goal to make grand finale before his death.
And animal experiments might be his heritage to Pantalone so he can extend his life after Dottore death.
We can come up with anything with no data
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u/nyxsiren7 8d ago
It's pretty evident what the narrative is trying to convey. I'm open to any ideas but I'm not gonna ignore clear evidences the story presented to us. Dottore is very arrogant and selfish, he says so himself, he wouldn't be the type to go out with a bang when his segments even cut open the original Zandik to continue existing in one form or another.
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u/Healthy_Call_3073 8d ago
Tbf, there's no conformation on the matter. From what we know, the lizard was present during important moments,as if it was gathering intel. If dottore truly had a hand in this, pretty sure he would have told pantalone regarding the matter, and given how many times it was hammered down that yes, dottore died, him returning in such a manner, especially with the lore suggesting that he did it to other people and not on himself feels unlikely. The only way that would be possible if he himself didn't know about it smh, which one again is ooc for him. I do agree that the lizard might be of importance later, but as of rn, dottore is a pretty weak point of consideration himself.
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u/neptunes_pierrot 8d ago