r/Genshin_Lore • u/MiyukiAkibara Oratrice Mecanique d'Analyse Cardinale • Oct 26 '25
Chess Theory ♔ Pierro's real name
Since Hroptatyr is the President of the Universitas and is the Chief Royal Mage.
The Vice President should also be a Royal Mage.
Rhinedottir calls him Vit.
Pierro failed to earn the favor of the king, aka, failed to become president of the Universitas.
So I'll conclude that Pierro's real name is Eftirvit.
Edit: I've decided to add in this part.
Hroptatyr's chess piece is a laughing mask.
Pierro's constellation is a crying mask.
It's the duality of the Comedy and Tragedy masks.
Thanks to commentor SopaOfMacaco for pointing this out for me.
Edit 2: Hroptatyr is younger than Eftirvit.
His phrasing implies that he was too young to have been President if this were more normal times. This conversation should take place just hours before Pierro was standing there, looking at Ronova menacingly.
And he does look pretty old already. 50s or 60s.
I was told by someone to make this post over here too. I hope I'm using the correct flair for it.
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u/imakeelyu Oct 27 '25
looking back i feel even more sympathy for pierro and dain than ever. both of them just wanted to do whats right for their people and they were continuously failed by them people around them. it must have been so frustrating to watch the king turn into a mad tyrant and just mot have the powrr to do anything about it because of politics. meanwhile hroptatyr took the authority that should have been yours and ended up betraying the nation. and then. having to live with this anger and frustration for 500 years.
after all this i almost feel even happier for capitano. fate dealt him a bad hand but at least he managed to find his own path in life and filfilled his own goals in the end.
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u/Richardknox1996 Oct 28 '25
Capitano went out on his own terms, shooting double fingers at his personal enemy as he successfully outwitted her with a plan that can be best summed up as: "Fuck you, i win".
- If Renova was to rescind Capitano's Immortality, he finally gets to die and his people still go to the night kingdom, which means all his goals are met.
- By merging with The Lord of the Night, Capitano's spirit was able to pass on while his body still lived, taking the souls of his men to an afterlife.
- If Renova rescinded Neither, there would be a logical paradox resulting from Mavuika needing to burn up her life to sustain the Lord of the Night as payment to Renova, as per her rules, but the Lord of the Night is Immortal thanks to Capitano, so she would never die because the Lord of the Night doesnt need Mavuika's Lifeforce to keep going. This wouldve gotten Renova into trouble with Phanes.
So yeah, dont feel sad for Capitano, he went out in the best way possible for himself.
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Oct 29 '25
And of course he got to rewrite The HP's rules enforced on the Ley Lines, possibly on a global scale if the Ley Line stuff in the 5.3 Liyue event is any indication. And of course it's only a matter of time before he comes back on top of that 😉
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u/MiyukiAkibara Oratrice Mecanique d'Analyse Cardinale Oct 27 '25
I do wonder about something. The ritual that supposedly summoned our sibling, I am ever so curious if Hroptatyr was the one who oversaw the event and if he was the one who suggested on doing so.
This also links to Rauthvangi, a Khaenri'ah's man who was expelled from the Universitas Magistrorum for being too crazy with the abyss. (Hard to believe that he would be expelled for that considering the entire nation has been pivoting to the abyss.) Either way, Rauthvangi was in the ears of the last Cryo Archon and most likely ruined Snezhnaya with his peddling of abyssal powers.
History may not repeat but it often rhymes, much like how the Narzissenkreuz quest line is complementary with the main Fontaine AQ.
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u/RefuseStrange2913 Oct 27 '25
That mad monk i dont think its the wise for what we know he was super knowledgable the wise and he was the president and he was very close with king that mad monk might prbly be from the same university and yeah in an artifact or a book set? I did read that mad monk was just a low class khaneriahn bro was a janitor or something and he looked into this mirror that show the true universe and he lost it he started ramblin so he was thrown out of university and then out of khaneriah he rambled and arrived in nodkrai or somewhere wherr white tsar picked him up and rest of the story for what he saw i believe he was cleaning the wise's office and i believe that the wise was actually talking to the abyss through the mirror plus it guaranteed now that abyss isnt an entity its a realm there is someone is teyvats abyss that is controlling it and the mad monk prbly saw who that person was he prbly lost it then
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u/MiyukiAkibara Oratrice Mecanique d'Analyse Cardinale Oct 27 '25
I only compared them, I didn't say they're the same person.
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u/Crusader050 Oct 27 '25
To be fair, if the abyss was also manipulating Pierro then the story would have turned out differently. I guess Fate is just a fickle temptress for some.
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u/RefuseStrange2913 Oct 27 '25
True pierro for what i knew he already knew that irmin has lost it and that if they continued it will lead to the fall of the nation he was trying but he wasnt able to since in pale flame set he did say he was but a mere low ranking royal mage
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u/IndustryParticular55 Oct 27 '25
I'm still dubious about Dain. Something about the way he spoke to Rerir, and his reticence to share info is deeply suspicious. Biggest secret he is keeping of course, is that he knows where the body of the 2nd Descender(Seutervoinen) is buried. But I guess he just didn't think it would be important for the Traveller to know that.
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u/Particular_Web3215 Paimon without the 'mo' Oct 27 '25
The deformed pygmy who buried the Prince's corpse out of guilt for a reason
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u/MiyukiAkibara Oratrice Mecanique d'Analyse Cardinale Oct 26 '25
I do wonder, when we get to Snezhnaya, will the villain be Hroptatyr? I assume that Pierro will have to settle the score with Hroptatyr one of these days, the Tsaritsa would probably end up being playable, so a overarching villain would probably need to be established for the region.
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u/RefuseStrange2913 Oct 27 '25
Its highly unlikely chances are we might face him after we got to khaneriah
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u/Particular_Web3215 Paimon without the 'mo' Oct 27 '25
Highly likely. Having the tragedy mask and the comedy mask settle their grudge is the kind of imagery that hoyo loves to use
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u/NR-Tamim Celestia Oct 26 '25
Yeah Twitter has been on it for a while...
Here's the first time I saw this theory https://x.com/pierroswife/status/1981005583580119289?t=ILnCi1cm7VeWgLevRlVJfg&s=19
If you don't wanna go to Twitter then here's the ss
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u/cy6orgs Oct 26 '25
The "keep an eye on" reading could actually work given he literally gazed at Ronova in The God's Limits. He kinda does have eyes everywhere, he found Rosalyne, Zandik, and even Scaramouche suggested that Pierro might've foreseen the false-sky discovery in the Unreconciled Stars event.
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u/naarcx Oct 26 '25
Breaking down his name, Eftir means “After” and Vit doesn’t mean anything but Vettr(pronounced the same) means “Spirit”
Also considering this, it’s a fitting name for Pierro:
“Vengeance and succession: Eftir can also imply an inheritance or succession of power, which is a powerful theme in the sagas, such as when the god Víðarr is fated to avenge his father Odin eftir Ragnarök. “
So, with a little liberty. his name means like, “Vengeance for the Cursed Immortals”
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u/Laurencebat Oct 26 '25
I like your vengeance angle.
"Vitr" or "vit" does show up in Old Norse, as the name of a dwarf and a word relating to thinking (in english "wit").
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u/Substantial_Fan_9582 Bestowed the power of Anemo Prodigy Oct 27 '25
F-tier wit, that’s how I remember this name
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u/sartikiva Khaenri'ah Oct 26 '25
I love the detail with the masks. Comedy and tragedy.
I can't wait to learn more about their interactions. It's such a pain we have to wait so long for the main story to develop...
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u/23rd_president_of_US Oct 26 '25
Considering Hroptatyr's own words that he "wasn't supposed to" become the chief mage and Rhinedottir's remark of "qualifications not getting you anywhere" in Khaenria'h, I wouldn't be surprised if (at least pre abyssal power-up) Hroptatyr was weaker and less wise than Pierro. The only reason he got his position is because of king's extremism, which is also one of the reasons Pierro hates him, he even named himself and his whole organisation to mock Hroptatyr's title
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u/RefuseStrange2913 Oct 27 '25
Yknow one thing that the titles that of sinner? They are prbly opposite of what they truly are Wise might be him boasting but he was infact fooler than pierro Rerir is racher of solnari but its opposite he isnt avenger of solnari infact he is hunting down the ppl who followed solnari aka crimson moon followers Chances are gold is said to be the best alchemist but in fact she is the worst alchemist I cant say anything abt ved since even before he became a sinner he was a great visionary maybe he never was a visionary or maybe he was idk
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u/Kostuchan Oct 27 '25
Rerir is racher of solnari but its opposite he isnt avenger of solnari
Because his title is supposed to be Moon Hunter. But EN localization team did its thing and now most mentions of Rerir don't make any sense.
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u/23rd_president_of_US Oct 27 '25
even before he became a sinner he was a great visionary
There is a possibility that he didn't have any visionary powers at all (and maybe still doesn't). Rather, him becoming a sinner granted him ability to "influence" the past with his current knowledge, which would seem like a "future foresight" to his past self. That would also explain why he saw very specific prophecys at specific times, as he (as well as some others, like Rerir) was "nudged" onto a certain path that future Vedrfolbir wanted to happen
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u/Lumpy-Writing-5741 Oct 30 '25
Rhinedottir is the best alchemist. She just chose to create abyss stufff and albedo
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u/Martian_on_the_Moon Nov 02 '25
We need to keep in mind that Dain called Hroptatyr, not Pierro for coup.
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u/SheWhoReturns Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25
I wouldn't say there were "hours" between the conversation, the start of the Cataclysm, the curse.
I honestly think maybe a few days.
But other than that, yeah, you make a good point about Perrio's name...he probably despises Hroptatyr.
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u/Laurencebat Oct 26 '25
Agree. That's a very tight timeline. I'm willing to headcannon that as Rerir's memories (or viewing of them) being imperfect.
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u/SheWhoReturns Oct 26 '25
We actually just saw the events right before the Cataclysm, Rerir never witnessed it or Ronova's curse (since he jumped through the portal).
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u/RefuseStrange2913 Oct 27 '25
Prbly some days the sinner part seems like it happened before we also do know that sinners split powers of a being and we do know thats not prbly our sibling unless it was our sibling that was split into 5 but we do know lumine went to wake aether up and as of luna 1 apparently aether said its not possible for her to be able to get out of the spaceship(could be but aether memories cant be taken srsly) Sinners happened first then alberich took over then around the same time lumine ranaway and abyss rifts open and to started leaking into teyvat to stop this ronova and asmoday and other archons showed up and ronova cursed them and closed the gate of khaneriah
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u/SheWhoReturns Oct 27 '25
We actually do know that it's the sibling, from the Xbox Glider in 5.2, Irmin used the twin as a vessel for unlimited Abyssal power.
The twin's power was then split into six pieces and each Sinner stole a piece (5.7)
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u/Laurencebat Oct 26 '25
I think Rhinedottir has his name right and that Eftirvit might be a perjorative nickname.
And maybe he's bitter at all the sages who followed Hroptatyr down his calamitous road.
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u/CetriBottle Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25
Any particular reason? I figured Vit was the nickname since Gold seems to view him fondly (at least compared to Hroptatyr) and shortened versions of full names are like, the most common kind of nickname. We see Dainsleif get called Dain plenty of times, both by Paimon and Rerir, and Dain also calls his brother Ved.
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u/Laurencebat Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25
Partly because Gold, like you said, seemed to view him more fondly. Also because the name Vit, (like Rerir and Dain) shows up in Old Norse texts.
Eftirvit could be read as "after thought/wise" as in he learned after the fact. That is too on the nose for me (not that Hoyo is averse to being on the nose). But one could also read Eftirvit as "afterthought," as in something not important, which is how they treat him.
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u/panetony Oct 27 '25
Yeah Hroptatyr is gonna be final boss definitely
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u/Top-Idea-1786 Oct 27 '25
Considering he mimics the authority of reason, which is the domain of the Heavenly principles, them yeah pretty much.
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u/fulgursnake Nov 03 '25
Hroptatyr is so... sly. I didn't like how his voice sounded, gave me the ick, and also the fact he was portrayed like this (the laughing mask) on the chess board adds more to the "I am fake and constantly scheming with a graceful smile" vibe. Can't wait to learn more about his lore because I bet he also did some unhinged shit. What is he hiding behind that mask?
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u/Gruntsbreeder Celestia Oct 26 '25
I agree with you i am rather certain that this is Pierro's name.
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u/ChiefGamer2445 Oct 26 '25
Wasn't the "Sages" in winters night lazzo mistranslated and it was supposed to be "Sage" initially? "Sage thinks of himself as all knowing" shows grudge and jealously Vit as said by shade of life (idk how to spell rhinedottere) was also jealous of president(I also don't know how to spell hryoptotyer)
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u/CetriBottle Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25
From what I can tell, the exact same word/phrase (贤者) is used in Chinese for that line as for Hroptatyr's title.
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u/Better-Movie-7736 Oct 26 '25
idk how to spell rhinedottere
You can use Rhinedottir (Correct version), Rhine (Nickname from A), R (Hexenzirkel Codename), Gold (Title like The Foul, The Wise)
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u/Pleasant_Nature_7196 Oct 26 '25
I came to the same conclusion. It seems very likely that they're one in the same.
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u/imakeelyu Oct 27 '25
yep i feel like most of us had this suspicion during this quest lol. good writeup!
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u/GonerBits Anyways...so then I cursed her. Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25
They’re also The Wise and “The Fool”. They’re parallels, 100%.
The fool thinks himself to be wise, while the truly wise man knows himself to be a fool.