r/ExAlgeria • u/WorldIllustrious9150 • Jan 24 '26
Discussion how do you prove that islam isn't the way?
hello everyone, i'm a Muslim, not practicing as i was before, and this is because i'm kinda lost
i can't prove that there's an afterlife but at the same time i'm deeply scared of an afterlife
i hope you understand what i mean, 'cuz i'll be taking opinions from everyone about it and my question for you here is: How do you prove that islam isn't the way? or: What made you leave islam?
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Jan 25 '26
You are scared bcz of something called childhood indoctrination, and to answer your question: it's Islam that needs to prove it's credibility, not us, it's like if I say to you that a dragon lives somewhere in our galaxy, and I ask you to prove me wrong.
See? It's my duty to prove the existence of this dragon, bcz I made that claim, not you.
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u/RealisticSyrup4336 Jan 25 '26
first, prove to me that islam is the way. that's how it works.
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u/Excellent_Corner6294 Jan 25 '26
Yes, the burden of proof is always on the one who makes the claim.
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u/silly___bird Jan 25 '26
First define what "prove" and "truth" are
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u/Scared_Sans m9awed Jan 25 '26
first define what "first" "define" "what" ""prove"" "and" ""truth"" "are" are
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u/silly___bird Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26
First: an ordering term indicating priority.
Define: to state the meaning of a term with sufficient clarity.
What : an interrogative used to request the nature or definition of something.
And : a logical conjunction.
And since no one bothered to answer the most basic reasoning question and instead just downvoted it, Iâll answer it myself. Maybe now you can see how weak your trust in your own words must really be.
All the definitions above rely on other words that also need to be defined. In the end, everything we conclude relies on something else. Truth becomes a framework, which shows how fragile certainty really is.
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u/countryfaker Jan 25 '26
we're not in a jordan peterson debate but as long as we're talking about a belief here (islam) and not calculus then proof in this case is just verifying the base of metaphysical claims that come with islam (morality, realistic applications) and checking for contradictions (of which islam objectively has many)
And yes, I'm aware that "proof" in this case is merely a rational evaluation, not actual concrete proofas for the truth, there is no definite truth, but a search for it
everything we presume to be "true" is purely out of convenience.
Now, how can we prove that islam is "true"?
We cannot, we can only believe in it. It is a rational commitment under uncertainty and absurdity. As in, we'd have to live and dedicate our entire lives to following this religion , and most people do so to avoid the sense of emptiness and dread that humans would feel without it initially.1
u/silly___bird Jan 25 '26
Youâre still avoiding the definitions.
If thereâs no definite truth, then calling contradictions âobjectiveâ (especially morals) doesnât really mean anything. Objectivity already assumes some stable notion of truth.
I agree that metaphysical claims arenât proven like math, but theyâre still evaluated for coherence and consistency. Calling that âmere rational evaluationâ doesnât dissolve the problem.
And explaining why people believe something psychologically doesnât say anything about whether itâs true. Thatâs a different question.
So the issue isnât whether Islam can be proven like calculus. Itâs whether your framework even allows truth-claims at all.
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u/Reasonable_Shoe_3438 Jan 27 '26
lmao , the good ole "define X and define Y" tactic.
All this so we don't talk about how your prophet consummated a marriage with a 9 years old.
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u/mila_melou Jan 25 '26
What made me leave religion is that I couldn't prove that islam is the way. You cant disprove any specific religion, no matter what Dawkins and co. tell you, because every religion has an internally consistent core (in islam its the quran) but most of the religion itself is just interpretations. If you try to disprove islam, you're likely disprove hadith, tafsir, and fi9h, none of which disproves the divinity of quran, it only proves human error.
So ask yourself instead why you're starting with the assumption that islam is likely true rather than start from a neutral place. For me reading about islamic history helped by making it look more and more human and less and less miraculous.
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u/Sad-Time6062 ŰȘÙ ÙŰ·ÙŰȘ ÙŰȘŰČÙŰŻÙŰȘ Jan 25 '26
Allah provides no proof of his existence and asks us to blindly worship him day and night for 80 years, and if we don't his great mercy condemns us to burn for an eternity, he either doesn't exist or he exists but isn't as merciful as he claims, meaning there's no reason to believe his words about heaven or hell
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u/silly___bird Jan 25 '26
youâre judging mercy by human standards. Not every worldview does.
in many belief systems, concepts like mercy or justice are defined internally, not by human intuition. You can reject that framework, but judging it from outside it isnât a refutation ,itâs just disagreement.
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u/Beneficial_Sport1072 Jan 26 '26
what is morality if not a thing judged by human standards cause it's ultimately a human creation
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u/Sad-Time6062 ŰȘÙ ÙŰ·ÙŰȘ ÙŰȘŰČÙŰŻÙŰȘ Jan 27 '26
well then this would apply to all of his attributes wouldn't it
so all-powerful doesn't mean he can do everything, all-wise doesn't mean he only makes wise choices, i'd prefer to not worship a being that i know nothing about and that's his fault and not mine
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u/DistributionFair2806 Jan 25 '26
Many contradictions In quraan and mistakes, and the sunna is literally bullshit, I'd accept quran but sunna is weird asf
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u/frostedtake SĂ©tif Jan 26 '26
âMarried me at 6, entered on me at 9â Bukhari 5134. Simple as that.
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u/silly___bird Jan 25 '26
Asking what proves or disproves Islam already assumes that truth and justification are meaningful. If you deny absolute truth altogether, then âproofâ becomes meaningless. So the real question is not about Islam yet, but about what standards of truth youâre using in the first place.
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u/all4Garnet Jan 25 '26
U talked too much and said nothing, his question is correct, shut up.
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u/silly___bird Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 26 '26
Said nothing? Let me make it short for you ,define truth.
Did I even say itâs wrong? Most of our knowledge really leans heavily on premises, yet this subreddit seems allergic to anyone pointing out how shaky human certainty really is.
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u/MindIsThePowerest Jan 25 '26
Hi mate,
If I may, you can't prove Islam is not the way as much as u can't prove the contrary. Simply because faith does not have proof as a foundation but faith, which implies believing what is beyond the proof.
If a religion could be proved, it wouldn't be one since faith would have no room for it anymore.
For me, religion has two facets. The first one is the initial message, the origin story, the revelation on it's earliest and purest phase (purest in the sense of less manipulated by men). It hugely relies on Faith because except the people that lived that moment of history, you can hardly be sure of those events.
The second one is when time passes, the first generation of witnesses die and the revelation start to get manipulated by the flawed Human. They start to erect rigid rules, extrapolate to impose their ill intentioned political agenda, make of the religion a ruler tool to keep the power and to dominate. That part does not rely on faith anymore but in fear and ignorance.
Ignorance is the mother of all evil on earth. And when you maintaint it using the tool of fear, you basically become omnipotent over whole populations. Tell them that when they die they might face an endless suffering and they will bow before you.
Getting back to your quest now.
You can't prove or disprove, but in my humble opinion, you don't have to go that way at all. Don't "follow" the islam of the mass (since you are talking about that specific religion). It's far from what it truly could be and what it could bring to you.
If you feel lost in your faith, it does not mean you have lost it, but just that the current state of what is promoted as the islamic religion is not compatible with how you feel and think. Do not listen to x y or z, do your own readings, stick to the core of it, don't get lost in all the bullshit of that second facet I have mentioned before, stay as close as possible to the first facet.
Also, if you want to know more about the afterlife (a hypothesis of what it could be for those who believe there is one), check the following video, it has a wealth of information and it's as reassuring as it could get : « L'entre-deux-vies : Pardonner à la mort » avec Sylvain Didelot
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u/Impressive_Choice368 Jan 25 '26
Scientific Errors in the Quran https://share.google/hDM5GY5GxtAcdYtb3 This is a good objective source with most of the scientific innacuracies islam has You can also navigate to the rape and sex slavery sections you will learn ALOT
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u/ShrinkingViolet555 Jan 28 '26
I always say this to my friend that if you really want to prove that any religion is wrong look outside the circle (religion) you'll notice the bs of it bcz if you read islam and start to argue abt it they'll find a way how to make it work and prove you wrong and it goes with any religion or any ideology , so what you have to do is read about the afterlife how prehistoric people wrote and imagined it OUTSIDE your own belief, take different lenses and observe anthropology, psychology... not just religious books or gospels
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u/Aggravating_Lie_2017 Jan 25 '26
first you have to ask yourself the right question to get the right answersÂ
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u/Admirable-Winter7196 Jan 25 '26
I had some doubts during my life but what made realize islam is not the way was knowing that what we believe in does exist in every other religion and beliefs are nothing more than a coincidence
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u/Scared_Sans m9awed Jan 25 '26
idk but just thought this video might help you feel better concerning this skepticism
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u/Elegant_Trip6079 Jan 26 '26
for me it's more like that what they are talking about now is not something a god shoud be saying, , let's not start talking about how illogical stuff can get , for ex zina is Haram but yea you can have slaves and you are allowed to do whatever you want with them , and the idea that Islam bring back the rights of women but at the same time a slave women the make it seem you are giving her a roof and food and she works for you , but actually she is just a slave and you can buy her , you can have sex with her , and she is not obliged to cover her body like a free women , i can't see the rights of women here (there are plenty of things like that but those should be enough to give u an idea of what im talking about )
so how i see it "what these ppl are saying about their god is messed up and can't be real , if its real it's even worse"
now im lost in the idea if god said something someway and they changed it , or god said nothing and just told us to live then die , or there is no god (i'm still looking for answers )
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u/vergil-am1 Jan 26 '26
There's no proof that's how faith works if there was proof it would be called the truth and not faith and belief. And you can't prove something doesn't exist for something that isn't proven to exist. If i tell you a monster that you can't see or hear exists can you prove it doesn't?
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u/RaccoonOk4885 Jan 26 '26
You don't. Islam is one religion among many others. It's not the way to me, personally. It's like a style of dressing, a matter of taste, it doesn't matter if it's logical or not, all religions are based on faith. So it's a matter of whether you feel good about it.
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u/rami-pascal974 Jan 26 '26
You can't prove it but you can infer it: https://youtu.be/0wAy0Kptq3c?si=XFx6cnUG3oyturQq
And that's just the tip, you also have incoherences in the coran, the fact that it's entirely built preexisting beliefs, and the lack of logic in a lot of what it says and you'll have your answer, it won't be easy at first, it'll feel weird, but you'll get over it
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u/TajineEnjoyer not algerian Jan 26 '26
the prove that it isn't the way, is that there is no proof that it is the way, belief is not based on rational thinking, but social pressure, manipulation, threats of hell, social exclusion, lack of research, and so on, what it is not based on however, is any proof whatsoever.
just like how all religions seem false to you, except for islam, we just think that all religions are false, with no exceptions, and that they're all man made, to exercise control over people and to organize society.
you see, religions are a primitive form of the law, it is there to force people to abide by a set of standards, but nowadays we have laws and judicial systems that do a better job at that, than religion could ever do.
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u/Reasonable_Shoe_3438 Jan 27 '26
Bro , you got indoctrinated. That's exactly how it works. They scare you and then they control you.
It's not really something someone else will convince you to change easily.
You need to de-indoctrinate yourself first. Do research by yourself. Search for critics of islam , read the quran , read the hadiths. The more you study islam , the more you'll be disgusted.
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u/Infinite_Feature2364 DZZ!!!!!đȘđȘđȘ fuk izlam and tebon Jan 28 '26
I refuse to believe in a religion that condones slavery, pedophilia and polygamy. I refuse to believe in meteors being divine projectiles to repel shaytan. This religion Is so obviously made up by a 7th century middle aged man so he could have his way with Mecca's woman and live a hedonistic life with millions of worshippers. It's really easy to get rid of that fear https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134 https://quran.com/an-nisa/24 https://quran.com/al-mulk/5
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u/Chemical-Hair7377 Jan 25 '26
You can't prove the afterlife with science cause its not something approachable with the physical body
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u/Chemical-Hair7377 Jan 25 '26
They can't, they will probably bring up some childish points like (I can't be gay in islam)
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u/Impressive_Choice368 Jan 25 '26
Scientific Errors in the Quran https://share.google/hDM5GY5GxtAcdYtb3 Please check the mathematical error in the other section too ty
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u/countryfaker Jan 25 '26
Okay, elaborate on your point?
Let's only take your strawman here and put him to the test: Presuming he is a homosexual, which is naturally occurring in over 1500 species, would it be objectively (by "objectively" i mean according to human rights that have let you exist up till this point) morally correct to take away his freedom simply because he likes guys and your own unconfirmed and fully metaphysical religion dictates otherwise?
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u/Interesting_Side6095 Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26
to me i got over it bcz i made peace with the fact these this god is not worth worship even if he came to me and told me he exists, a true god wouldn't even make hell or heaven, let alone create humans with fkn free will and potential to be smth like god and have the need to create then demand worship, i see all the gods in these religions as a reflection of us, what we want to be as humans, we created god, not the other way around