morals serious talk

[u/silly___bird]

I see a lot of debates here about “good” and “bad” behaviors/acts, or about human rights in general. But whenever I try to think about it objectively, I always reach the same conclusion that there is no such a thing as defined "bad" or "good".

From a pure objective point of view, a human is free to do whatever they are capable of doing, as long as it doesn’t conflict with their own interests. But everytime I ask someone to explain why exactly things like killing, rape...down to lying (which i consider bad according to my moral code) are objectively bad, most of people here usually laugh, dismiss the question, or treat it as self-evident like it’s an axiom we aren't supposed to question.

But history and psychology show us that what we label as “bad” has not always been seen that way:

in roman gladiator games killing was entertainment for the masses.

Vikings and Mongols raiding and violence were celebrated as honorable.

Hitler and the Nazis genocide was framed as a “necessary good” for their vision of society, and millions followed.

people like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer admitted they enjoyed acts society calls horrific.

epstein's island.

some individuals even enjoy violent fantasies or claim to have found pleasure in situations we would normally call “assault.”

appreciate any shared thoughts

[u/EMMTAx]

Look up matt dillahunty's channel on youtube he answers a lot of your questions.

[u/silly___bird → u/EMMTAx]

Is there a specific video I should watch?

[u/EMMTAx → u/silly___bird]

Any of his videos on secular morality

[u/silly___bird → u/EMMTAx]

It's not about religion only , read the post again

[u/EMMTAx → u/silly___bird]

Secular morality isnt about religion. Hence secular.

[u/silly___bird → u/EMMTAx]

"Secular morality refers to the branch of philosophy and ethical thinking that establishes concepts of right and wrong independent of religious beliefs or supernatural authority. Instead, it grounds moral reasoning in human faculties like logic, empathy, critical thinking, and scientific understanding. It encompasses frameworks such as humanism, freethought, consequentialism, deontology, and virtue ethics—all operating on secular foundations rather than religious doctrine." Correct me if this is the wrong definition

[u/silly___bird → u/EMMTAx]

And even secular morality doesn't answer the question of universal morals,you clearly missed the point of the post

[u/EMMTAx → u/silly___bird]

It literally does as your argument is basic as shit. Its literally one of the first thing secular morality addresses. It also explains how we can go from selfishness to altruism.

[u/silly___bird → u/EMMTAx]

By moral realism? You try to convince me about it without bringing any shitty arguments. Otherwise it works with frameworks which means subjectivity still exist among them. Sadly your mind didn't get this basic shit

[u/EMMTAx → u/silly___bird]

There being subjectivity is also adressed in secular morality. Its ok though skip reading and educating yourself, instead make bs posts on reddit with garbage formatting. The fact you think secular morality endorses moral realism tells me you didnt take even 5 seconds to google either terms.

[u/silly___bird → u/EMMTAx]

"There being subjectivity is also adressed in secular morality" if you read the post you know I'm not interested of this part,and with you suspending moral realism which can be combined with secular morality, how can morals be objective mr educated, who blame his lack of understanding, over self-confidence and missed the definition of the point he is talking about, to a "garbage formatting" which isnt garbage and everyone else understood .

[u/EMMTAx → u/silly___bird]

Who claimed morals are objective? As I said, go read basic entry books because this is high school level philosophy in any educated part of the world.

[u/silly___bird → u/EMMTAx]

Your first comment suggest a channel, which if its related to the post (that you didn't understand) its supposed to have something to prove objectivity of morals,but you are totally out of topic cuz this post ain't about "how can non religious people have morals" dear philosopher . This is some elementary school reasoning