morals serious talk

[u/silly___bird]

I see a lot of debates here about “good” and “bad” behaviors/acts, or about human rights in general. But whenever I try to think about it objectively, I always reach the same conclusion that there is no such a thing as defined "bad" or "good".

From a pure objective point of view, a human is free to do whatever they are capable of doing, as long as it doesn’t conflict with their own interests. But everytime I ask someone to explain why exactly things like killing, rape...down to lying (which i consider bad according to my moral code) are objectively bad, most of people here usually laugh, dismiss the question, or treat it as self-evident like it’s an axiom we aren't supposed to question.

But history and psychology show us that what we label as “bad” has not always been seen that way:

in roman gladiator games killing was entertainment for the masses.

Vikings and Mongols raiding and violence were celebrated as honorable.

Hitler and the Nazis genocide was framed as a “necessary good” for their vision of society, and millions followed.

people like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer admitted they enjoyed acts society calls horrific.

epstein's island.

some individuals even enjoy violent fantasies or claim to have found pleasure in situations we would normally call “assault.”

appreciate any shared thoughts

[u/Alex-Morgan26]

So for humans we only have one goal which is surviving, anything that conflicts with our survival will be considered automatically bad for us , and there is no such thing called bad or good I would like to change them into :

Good = will help me survive Bad = will not help me survive

And humans back then were not using their brains like they do now , they were just killing each other as a way of survival but now that after years and years of evolution, we humans learned from our previous mistakes and we got to the realization that we need rules and we need to set boundaries that will save our existence and survival

stuffs like “murder” we humans made it look so terrible to commit it so that no one does it again and we all agree on that it’s a bad action for all of us , like imagine everyone was killing others for fun , that will threaten all of our existence and ruin our peace , so we created those morals to save us at the end , and that’s why morals change over time because we are still learning more and more over time about how to make the human experience easier and more enjoyable

[u/Wide-Philosopher824 → u/Alex-Morgan26]

Do you think our circumstances got better because the morals standards got better or the opposite?

[u/Alex-Morgan26 → u/Wide-Philosopher824]

I think we made our circumstances better by setting those morals standards , it’s a human invention to make our lives peaceful and easier