morals serious talk

[u/silly___bird]

I see a lot of debates here about “good” and “bad” behaviors/acts, or about human rights in general. But whenever I try to think about it objectively, I always reach the same conclusion that there is no such a thing as defined "bad" or "good".

From a pure objective point of view, a human is free to do whatever they are capable of doing, as long as it doesn’t conflict with their own interests. But everytime I ask someone to explain why exactly things like killing, rape...down to lying (which i consider bad according to my moral code) are objectively bad, most of people here usually laugh, dismiss the question, or treat it as self-evident like it’s an axiom we aren't supposed to question.

But history and psychology show us that what we label as “bad” has not always been seen that way:

in roman gladiator games killing was entertainment for the masses.

Vikings and Mongols raiding and violence were celebrated as honorable.

Hitler and the Nazis genocide was framed as a “necessary good” for their vision of society, and millions followed.

people like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer admitted they enjoyed acts society calls horrific.

epstein's island.

some individuals even enjoy violent fantasies or claim to have found pleasure in situations we would normally call “assault.”

appreciate any shared thoughts

[u/silly___bird → u/[deleted]]

empathy feelings are not objective evidence. "If you wouldn’t want something done to you, don’t do it to others" out of empathy becomes "i will do it as long as they cant stop me"
and whats your definition of psychopath so i can argue about it

[u/silly___bird → u/[deleted]]

I was arguing about morals being objective or not, I didn't judge your moral source I just showed that there is many moral sources and the rest is only your opinion you can't force others to consider empathy as a moral compass

[u/silly___bird → u/[deleted]]

"but they are objective in the sense that they are universal" complete nonsense, where did you get these "it’s rooted in shared features of human biology and psychology" "we are born with the ability to discern right from wrong"from? Cuz this isn't universal

[u/silly___bird → u/[deleted]]

Sadly the majority isn't as you said according to human history, and even if it is you can't just ignore who doesn't agree with your biological morals which you didn't provide me what's exactly biological about them.