Does anyone struggle to explain things logically?

[u/Cold_Pomegranate7039]

It's not a question for the enfps necessarily but I don't feel like asking elsewhere. So people often say they can't understand what I am saying.

I myself don't sometimes. 💀 My answer is coming from 10 different ideas or experiences collectively and I can't point it out easily. It takes time for me to clarify things. Maybe it's being slow to process. And no matter how much I try, half the story is in my mind. The other person has no way to know.

I like to debate but it's hard because of it. Any similar experience or anyone who could overcome it?

[u/rangerslings]

Yes, very similar experience. Though I wouldn’t say I’ve been über successful with this myself, I think the clue might be to practice distinguishing or differentiating between or separating between things, and knowing which “frame” you’re “within” if that makes sense?

Because for me, logic and feelings and hunches and anecdotes and experiences and science and “intuitions” and so on are not really all that separate. Psychology and philosophy and sociology and anthropology and neuroscience and so on aren’t all that different in my mind. Science and poetry and imagery can explain the same thing. Or rather, there are parallels and connections between everything.

So in this head it’s a big soup of this and that which connect somehow, buuut it doesn’t all REALLY belong to the same framework or perspective and that’s where I end up looking like some dumbass because I’m going multi-perspective without realizing I’m not following logic.

[u/Cold_Pomegranate7039 → u/rangerslings]

😭😭😭😭😭 you get it my friend!!

Exactly, they aren't separate at all. What has worked for me so far is I learned from an INTJ and a INTP after many many debates. I know they'd say this if I say this, so refine further kind of a thing.

Intp be like you change your stance every few secs, I don't. The more time passes, the more alternative things connect and add up 🫠.

I look like I'm lying and dumb 🫪