r/ClevelandGuardians • u/BotFeller • 18h ago
[Postgame Thread] Red Sox @ Guardians - May 31, 2026
Postgame Thread 5/31/2026
Final Score: Red Sox 9, Guardians 4
Line Score - Game Over
| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | R | H | E | LOB | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| BOS | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 9 | 12 | 1 | 6 |
| CLE | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 11 | 0 | 10 |
Scoring Plays
Highlights
Decisions
| Winning Pitcher | Losing Pitcher | Save |
|---|---|---|
| Morán (1-2, 3.19 ERA) | Holderman (3-1, 2.14 ERA) |
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u/cookestudios ⚾️🎷Kippie’s Sax🎷⚾️ 18h ago
Vogt has to get it together. For a players’ guy, I’ve never seen him truly run out and defend one of his players. He should have been flying out of the dugout on the Herrin walk. Get fired up and get yourself ejected, dude! More importantly, 12 of our 14 batters are below-average in challenges, and worse, they often challenge at completely inconsequential times. Baseball is a game that rewards statistically sound decision-making in the long run, and Vogt is letting these guys selfishly challenge whenever they want completely on instinct. We’ve lost multiple games this year because he refuses to institute some basic rules on when to challenge.
And guess what. The White Sox are now a game back and about to play the Twins and we’re about to play the Yankees.
Anyway:
Record: 34-27
Place: 1st
Division lead: 1.0
Games to play: 101
Playoffs magic number: 98
Current pace: 90-72
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u/Dapper_Caregiver2859 👑 King Kwan 🦍 17h ago
We’re not gonna get very far without: 1. A healthy Sabrowski (with command) 2. José being José 3. A power hitter in the middle of the lineup (so far, Manzo and Hoskins aren’t doing it) 4. An understanding of basic probability / leverage opportunities for challenges. (To be fair, Stu challenged at a good time by this standard, but the earlier challenge was not).
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u/Deadleggg ⚾small ball baseball terrorists⚾ 17h ago
We weren't going very far to begin with. Just making the playoffs should exceed expectations.
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u/canttakethshyfrom_me 18h ago
He's hands-off to the point of irresponsibility. He's got to yank the leash.
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u/MagyarAccountant 🏠🏃♂️🍑 18h ago
For someone who lives and dies by the statistics of platoon advantage, you'd think he'd be learning and preaching the statistics of when /when not to ABS challenge.
Overall his in game management has shown little/no improvement in 3 years and we've been winning mostly in spite of it imo
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u/klein_four_group 36 17h ago edited 17h ago
Overall his in game management has shown little/no improvement in 3 years and we've been winning mostly in spite of it imo
This is the most concerning thing. Zero situational awareness or feel for the game. You can't even call his strategy "analytics", because analytics would tell you Herrin is not a high-leverage guy.
People talk about how in-game strategy is learnable whereas Vogt's feel for the clubhouse is not. That might be true but he has not improved at all. In fact he makes the same moves that backfire over and over.
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u/420DonCheadle420 17h ago
I don’t even think he believes in the analytics of the platoon as much as he finds it to be the easiest way to make good on his promise that everybody plays. If he actually believed in analytics he wouldn’t manage the way he does lol
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u/moonheron in Chernoff we Trust 17h ago
He lowkey manages a lot like Tito did
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u/iagreegoguard_s Pride G 16h ago
The similarities make me question if it isnt really the FO putting a lot of pressure on the decisions. I think there have been some statements to the contrary, but Im skeptical
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u/MagyarAccountant 🏠🏃♂️🍑 16h ago
Not to mention the brutally obvious moves that shouldn't even need to be "learned" like walking Stanton with a base open in the ALCS
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u/girlywish 12h ago
There has to be analytics people in the org who can help set ground rules for challenges. That shouldn't really be on Vogt.
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u/klein_four_group 36 18h ago
I'm not a Vogt fan, I think a team so low on resources like ours needs a strategically savvy manager who can get the most out of the roster. Having said that, getting thrown out is clearly not his personality, he's not Aaron Boone, and it would be counterproductive to pretend to be someone he's not. If there's one thing most employees do not tolerate, it's having an inauthentic manager.
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u/believelander19 Flying G 17h ago
This is one of the more level headed takes.
That being said, we have seen him bark at umps before plenty. Maybe don't go get tossed right away on purpose but at least go get in the guys face. Crippling missed call. And Vogt was a catcher to boot.
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u/Bourbonball442 Diamond C 16h ago
I totally agree on your “run out there, get fired up and get ejected” take re: the Herrin walk!! Hedges and Bailey should be the only ones making ABS challenges. And save them for mid to late in games.
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u/Both-Consideration56 18h ago
We can blame the bad calls all we want.
The reality is that they failed to consistently score with runners on base. Period.
Luckily, the sky is not falling. They are still in first and it is not even June.
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u/believelander19 Flying G 17h ago
Honestly it's way more fun to struggle early in the year and rally later in the year than be one of the hottest teams in baseball and collapse after the ASB like we've seen before
Lay all the skeletons and weaknesses out now, figure out which prospects can contribute meaningful innings/games, maybe make a move or two near the deadline.
Our F.O. and farm system has shown an ability to keep this franchise in the postseason conversation just about every season for the past 15+ years.... despite shopping on Facebook marketplace while the 3 franchises with better W-L records in that span go straight to the Ferrari dealership 😂
Guards ball. 162 is a lot of baseball.
They should go play laser tag or something tomorrow and get ready to maybe surprise some people on Tuesday.
Go Guards.
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u/Any_Salamander9958 18h ago
Kwan might be bad this year but his value as a net positive to the team was shown this weekend.
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u/klein_four_group 36 18h ago
A lot of blame to go around today.
Jose for burning a challenge in a completely unnecessary situation, probably out of frustration.
Vogt for submitting to handedness once again as the be all end all (Fairchild and Herrin). Then for punting the game at 4-6.
Holderman and Herrin for the walks.
And OMG Manzardo for not having any situational awareness. Bases loaded one out he needed to find a contact mode.
Now we get to see Cantillo and Cecconi pitch in Yankee Stadium.
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u/s6mwardle 🥊 DOWN GOES ANDERSON 🥊 18h ago
Thanks for everything (the anecdote about pinch running for Vogt) Fairchild, but it’s time to say goodbye
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u/canttakethshyfrom_me 2h ago
He wouldn't be here at all if he wasn't personal friends with Vogt. I am bothered.
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u/believelander19 Flying G 17h ago
Honestly I'm just sad for Tanner Bibee and Austin Hedges right now.
Hog with a rare 2 RBI day and caught and called a great game but had his extra weapon taken out of his pocket by horrific hitter challenges.
Bibee threw a great game and should have gotten the W but the bullpen, ump, and lack of judicious challenge use by the hitters cost him.
Just unreal.
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u/Yesalmsot Flying G 18h ago
One bad call can change a game
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u/believelander19 Flying G 17h ago
Honestly just go full robot at this point. Let the human umps still call it if it makes people feel better but c'mon, it's getting ridiculous.
Sort of like NBA rules eliminating ref initiated reviews in the last 2 minutes and if teams are out of challenges then TOO BAD.
Half measures are more frustrating tbh.
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u/SylemNova Selby Truther 18h ago
Need to find a lefty reliever out there somewhere
Am super curious what we're gonna do for summer trade moves.
I take a look down in Columbus and their lineup card today is loaded with guys who could be MLB players today for different organizations. Maybe not the pieces we need rn, but some ammunition perhaps.
This American League is weak. We need to get better, need our core to play better, need VOGT to be better, and give ourselves a shot to be one of like 4 teams with a chance to win the AL
Cuz lately, we haven't looked good enough. Haven't played well enough. Been lucky to scrape out some wins.
But we absolutely must be active in getting this right. Our division stinks. It's us and a White Sox team running on all the house money.
Today was miserable. This Yankees series may also be miserable.
Idk. We'll see what happens.
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u/Constant_Term6133 17h ago
It’s going to be hard to find a LH RP this time of year. If he’s worth anything, they’d have to overpay and that doesn’t fit their mold.
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u/420DonCheadle420 17h ago
Yeahhhh I think we could be in for some pain. Gonna be important to keep a level head because the L10 is pretty likely to get ugly here.
Nothing that happened in the last week, or will happen in the next week, is going to make or break our season. That’s what we’ll have to remind ourselves lol
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u/Scatheli 17h ago
I’d definitely like to see them package a few prospects for a bullpen arm or two. Plus, move Aleman up and let him take any lumps in Cleveland, not Columbus.
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u/Deadleggg ⚾small ball baseball terrorists⚾ 17h ago
You said it. Running on house money and the Dolans won't do anything else until this team is sold.
They have at most a few years before offloading the asset. You think they would risk precious pennies to try and win instead of scraping as much value as possible?
ROI is more important to them than winning anything.
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u/No_Contribution_7635 59m ago
Fry may have proven himself enough that Huff is trade material and Coop is team material.
Fry's just doing good, no two ways about it. Need stability wherever we can find it.
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u/diamondbijou 18h ago
Was watching the game with some friends. Did they play No Surrender by Bone Thugs? That was cool lol
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u/ClumbsyVulture 3h ago
You did. They do play Bone once in a while. Them being from Cleveland and all
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u/jatjat1978_ 18h ago
Wish I had something positive to say about today's game but I don't. Well I guess we found that Fairchild is double a contender not mlb material
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u/No_Contribution_7635 1h ago
After Akron lost Ralphy they've been tanking. They could really use Fairchild, no snark.
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u/TribeTime2233 Flying G 17h ago
Rough one today. Too much inconsistency at the plate. Bullpen has been blah. Idk. Off to NY.
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u/delgeheto7 Akron Rubber Duck 18h ago
Stuart we’d like to thank you for being as good as one of us! Now join us on the sidelines.
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u/theBuckeye Columbus Clippers 18h ago
Bibee curse continues.
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u/JohnnyFire Mustard 3 15h ago
I legit don't know what he has to do at this point. I think we need to call Etsy witches to cure him.
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u/Sparty013 BLEACHer Creature 17h ago
I don’t know what the fix is, but this teams mind numbing incompetency at challenging is now becoming a serious issue. That inning never happens if we had a challenge available.
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u/canttakethshyfrom_me 2h ago
"Make new mistakes every day" bearing fruit in the most predictable way. This whole "I'm your friend, not your boss" management style ain't it.
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u/Available-Parfait553 17h ago
Herrin can’t be put in high leverage situations. He was the difference today.
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u/Henry_Pussycat 14h ago
Manzardo whiffing with bases juiced, one out was huge
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u/No_Contribution_7635 3h ago
Manzo needs time with the Clipps, he needs to be comfortable in a lineup and not just a pinch hitter. Rhys keeps getting better and defense wise isn't any better or worse, both are slow as Sloths.
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u/No_Contribution_7635 18h ago edited 1h ago
Yeah.....My B. Fairchild is more Brito than Bazz. Well now we know.
DFA Fairchild to open the 40 to bring up Ralphy/or Cooper and then option Manzardo to the Clippers. Sounds like progress if addressing offense is the goal.
Keep up the great work Halpin.
Still no sweep!
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u/klein_four_group 36 17h ago
Fairchild makes Brito look like Bazzana, heck he makes Halpin look like CDL.
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u/No_Contribution_7635 17h ago
If this was Halpin's last chance at the majors than I say he grabbed that opportunity by the horns. Honorable mention to Fry too.
Tim Herrin, buddy.....
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u/Scatheli 18h ago
Let’s call some of our relievers up. I’d way rather seen Aleman up here and working through any growing pains.
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u/StrategyThink4687 17h ago
Seems like every year there’s a 30 day stretch even 60 days where Jose carries the team. Still waiting, tough to see this team being any good without that.
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u/Ok_Crazy479 17h ago
Thank goodness Kwan is coming back! That Fairchild due is AWFUL! Did he even foul off a ball during his strikeouts? And worst yet he had a useless, selfish challenge we could've used on that Herrin walk
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u/Scatheli 18h ago
How long is Kwan expected to be away, do we have any idea?
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u/Yesalmsot Flying G 18h ago
Hammy said he should be back Tuesday
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u/Scatheli 18h ago
Thank you! I couldn’t listen today so I wasn’t sure. Hopefully that means Fairchild goes away
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u/muuuuvinon 12h ago
This one wasn’t in Bibee although he hasn’t been good enough to win either. The bullpen the last two days has been abysmal. What are the odds they hit again the Yankees three starters. Cantillo against Judge with that short right field fence? I don’t have good feelings.
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u/Accomplished-Town495 ⚾small ball baseball terrorists⚾ 18h ago
wE sHoULd SaVe oUr bUlLpEn fOr tOmOrRoW wE’LL WiN tHaT oNe
Remember when some of you told me that at the end of the game yesterday. Pepperidge Farms remembers.
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u/Swan990 16h ago
Fairfield back to AA. Hitters arent allowed to challenge unless theres 2 left in 8th. Get a new hitting coach. Im over it.
I know it seems like weve had a tough schedule to start the year but in reality we're 20th is strength of schedule. Getting swept by Yanks will cement us as properly mid.
Im not saying season over we suck yada yada but with average hitting stats we're easily the best team in the league. Add 10 wins easy. Average bats. Thats all.
And this is not like its a new issue. We've all known it for years. Relying on rookie pizazz and recycled veterans to hit on their own clearly isnt cutting it. But our roster has all the potential. I dont want to replace anyone. I dont think we need to. The vets have done it before and the rookies have insane raw talent. Its coaching. Through and through. Hitting coaching is absolute dog shit and needs fixed if they want to win.
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u/pericles123 16h ago
Imagine if we were in first place, how happy you'd be......
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u/Swan990 15h ago
Well we are in first place. And I think we'll finish there. Im worried about matching up against playoff teams.
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u/canttakethshyfrom_me 2h ago
Shhh, you're not allowed to have expectations beyond "I'm just happy they're playing."
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u/Constant_Term6133 17h ago
That is a terrible take. They had no business coming back to win the division last season and frankly shouldn’t be sitting in the #2 seed in the AL right now with this roster. It’s 162 game season and Vogt manages it that way. You’re not going to to go to your best available player every time. Rest and recuperation is real in this game.
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u/Constant_Term6133 17h ago
Well, the people that cover the game for a living must think he’s good because they voted him manager of the year twice. It’s fair to say they are more qualified to know a good manager than any of us randos on Reddit.
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u/thegermblaster 44 17h ago
Two things can also be true: Vogt is a good manager who is not - currently - doing a good job.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that he’s cost us some games with his bullpen, lineup, platoon decision making.
Now granted, he has to work within the roster provided to him and he’s not a miracle worker but he’s made a lot of decisions fans scratch their heads at and, low and behold, the decision fails miserably.
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u/Constant_Term6133 17h ago
Oh god, you just tanked any credibility you have right there. You realize how dumb that sounds, right? “The people that work in the industry don’t know anything about the industry.” 😀
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u/Moist_Anybody9312 14h ago
please someone send Bibee for assignment somewhere
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u/No_Contribution_7635 1h ago edited 1h ago
Any pitching complaints can go "softly" to Tim. Offense, Offense, Offense: needs drastic course corrections. Fry is too consistent to be platooned, Manzardo has plateued and is regressing across the board to favoring Hoskins, Ramirez and CDL are hit or BIG miss....And we got two big hitting prospects waiting for their turn.
Halpin proving he's locked down his 40 spot even if he's sent down when Kwan comes back.
The Rubber Ducks would appreciate a hitter like Fairchild....Before New York. Sucks but AAA .296 didn't translate to the Majors.
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u/DZepperoni Always look on the bright side of life 18h ago
Positives from today’s Cleveland baseball:
Today we hope for IssaBibe to not give up 5 home runs. Tanner Bibee🅱️ ends his day with a final line of 6IP, 6H, 3R, 1BB, and 5K on 90 pitches (62 strikes). Do my eyes deceive me, or is that a quality start??? Wish I could just @ the entire DFA crowd lol, he ain’t goin anywhere folks.
Can’t tell if we need to summon Jobu or tell him to fuck off. The bats get 4 runs off of 11 hits, 2 walks, and a 🥔 HBP. A doubles parade today, with Fry🍟, Rhys⚡️, Roc🪨, and José🐐 each having one. Fry added 2 singles and a walk, Rhys a walk, and Roc a single. CDL🚚 had a trio of singles and Hedgey🦔 a pair of RBI from a single. Also, noting that Cooper Ingle📐 started in LF today for Columbus. Curious.
Bullpen arms, ya got a day off tomorrow, go nuts. Holderman🤝(0.1IP, 2R), Herrin🐟(0.1IP, 3R), Heuer🚁(0.1IP, 1R), and Dion🦺(2IP) combine to go 3IP, 6H, 6R, 3BB, and 4K. When I said go nuts I meant strike everyone out, not give up 6 runs. Come back soon Erik. Dion success!!!
(Yesterday) There we go RubberDucks! DeLucia🤌 has his second straight quality start, going 6IP, 4H, 1R(0ER), 1BB, and 5K on 84(56) pitches. Lampe🕯️led the bats, going 3/4 with a double, triple, and 2 RBI, while Rosario🥀 had a pair of doubles, and Mooney🌙 had a double and 3 RBI, as Akron wins 10-3!