Conservatives For CANZUK supporting Red CANZUK

[u/Simpson_Jasmine]

[u/LordFarqod]

That’s great. Does anyone know anything about Red CANZUK?

[u/VonGrippyGreen → u/LordFarqod]

In Canada, red is left, and blue is right. Opposite of the US. Seems relevant here.

[u/OneInACrowd → u/VonGrippyGreen]

Same in Aus

[u/HerrSPAM → u/OneInACrowd]

Same in UK, for the 2 historic main parties

[u/VonGrippyGreen → u/OneInACrowd]

And our prisoners wear...wait for it...orange!

[u/WhatAmIATailor → u/VonGrippyGreen]

Funny. We dress up our racists in orange.

[u/ImperialNavyPilot → u/WhatAmIATailor]

In the US the racists are led by an orange

[u/Flat-Dark-Earth → u/WhatAmIATailor]

So do we, the NDP.

[u/OkNewspaper6271 → u/Flat-Dark-Earth]

Our Liberals usually wear orange

[u/Anaptyso → u/VonGrippyGreen]

It's the same almost everywhere outside of the US. Red has been associated with radical politics since the French Revolution, and then socialism almost as soon as it arrived on the scene.

It's quite odd that in the US it has the opposite association, especially as their colour conventions only really came to be common around 2000.

[u/Zentarimz → u/Anaptyso]

I don't really know much about US history, but were the republicans at one time the more progressive party? Mostly based on a hunch as I know Lincoln was a republican.

[u/Still-Bridges → u/Zentarimz]

The colors in the US don't relate to ideology like they do elsewhere. Allegedly there was a complicated rule where they would switch whenever the incumbent wasn't running or something like that. And some networks ignored the convention and made their own decision. So they weren't really party colors, but News Network conventions for coloring the parties (the parties themselves used both colors along with white as a patriotic allusion). Then, the postcount for Bush 2000 lasted so long and the discussion of red states and blue states, so that it became entrenched at that point.

[u/etherealsmog → u/Still-Bridges]

Yeah, I’m not even sure there was any kind of standard at all, related to incumbency or otherwise. I think each network just chose a color scheme for their own news coverage on election night, and I don’t think there was any consistency between elections or across news networks.

I’ve read—but I don’t know if this is true—that the major news networks had gotten a lot of negative feedback over the years from people who would switch between coverage and be confused by the different color schemes, so all the major networks agreed that for 2000 they would use the same scheme. I also read that they picked red for Republicans because there was at least some concern that “red” is often associated with hard-left movements like communism and they didn’t want it to seem like they were “implying something” about the Democratic Party.

And then, as you noted, the Bush vs. Gore contest played out for so long that “Red States” and “Blue States” just stuck and got claimed by the respective parties.

[u/Anaptyso → u/Zentarimz]

Yes, they definitely had more of a reputation for being progressive on some issues up until the early 20th century. Although if I understand it right, the progressive vs conservative distinction wasn't as large in American politics until relatively recently. 

[u/ImperialNavyPilot → u/Zentarimz]

I think it was a similar situation with the Tories who were fairly anti-establishment Irishmen no?

[u/GopnikOIi → u/VonGrippyGreen]

The US is basically only country that does it backwards.

[u/redshift739 → u/VonGrippyGreen]

That's the normal colours. Leftism has always been red even before TV, the yanks just have it backwards

[u/Still-Bridges → u/VonGrippyGreen]

Is Red Canzuk a Canadian thing? I tried looking them up, but I don't have X and they don't seem to be at https://xcancel.com/RedCANZUK

[u/LordFarqod → u/Still-Bridges]

I couldn’t find them either

[u/Still-Bridges → u/LordFarqod]

Apparently there was this six years ago https://www.reddit.com/r/CANZUK/comments/i7tgop/im_officially_launching_red_canzuk/

[u/LordFarqod → u/Still-Bridges]

6 years of plotting and scheming. I’m excited to see what he/she unveils

[u/WalkingWithStrangers → u/VonGrippyGreen]

Red is centre, liberals are not left.

[u/Johnny-Dogshit → u/WalkingWithStrangers]

Hear, hear

Orange is left

Or, I suppose Red can also be left, but only if you go so left that it's outside major party politics. Within the context of major parties and their colours, though, orange is left, red is centre, blue is tory.

Red is also Canada's national colour, though. People complained once that making our flag mostly red was too "liberal", but really red was already the colour representing Canada long before it was also the colour of that specific party. Also, the proposed blue versions of the flag were fucking hideous.

Anyways, red's complicated here. Definitely needs to be said that red/Liberals =/= 'left' though. Even if there've been moments that the LPC ran left of the NDP... remember when Mulcair ran to the right of Justin Trudeau in 2015 and got properly trounced as a result? I sure remember. Fucking Mulcair...

[u/Objective-Trick3444]

It's important canzuk is not overly partisan and has foundational principles and goals that broader factions within our societies support. It improves the odds of something meaningful coming out of this as well as somthing lasting.

[u/YungBeefaroni]

Kinda feels like a “hey we fucked up pretty bad with BREXIT so if we’re doing this and it goes to shit we wanna make sure we can point the finger at someone else this time”

[u/CLUNTMUNGMEISTER]

Smells kinda fishy

[u/thedylannorwood]

Conservatives support a liberal CANZUK? I’m not sure I understand?

[u/GrimpenMar → u/thedylannorwood]

They are saying that they (Conservatives) support CANZUK, and pointing out that RedCANZUK exists, and they also support CANZUK.

In principle, CANZUK shouldn't be a partisan thing. Over time each CANZUK country will reject different governments, and a Liberal Canadian government should be able to cooperate on CANZUK issues with a Conservative UK government, a New Zealand Labour government and an Australian Liberal government, and deal with other conditions.

[u/MissMenace101 → u/GrimpenMar]

We all swing left and right, we don’t really seem to swing lunatic. Yet anyway.

[u/GrimpenMar → u/MissMenace101]

With the decline of the Deadly Serious Party and McGillicuddy Serious Party it's tough to see the glorious future where Australia and New Zealand's leaders join PM Lord Buckethead congratulates the Rhinoceros Party on their Canadian Federal Election victory.

[u/Wh-why]

I feel like Britain treats CANZUK like its post-EU rebound

[u/Cummy_Yummy_Bummy]

Ew sounds communist