r/Bokoen1 • u/Expensive_Studio_966 • 16d ago

Its joever

it aint looking good

Edit: Just clarifying this is the clip for what bo banned from twitch for 6 months. he just got news that he can appeal the ban right now but i doubt it will work since you can see this clip... and if it fails well i assume once 6 months pass its either perma ban or he gets the account back.

as well bo cant appear on neither golden or swimmy Twitch channels otherwise they can also get banned for helping bo ban evade or something like that

UPDATE: The appeal got rejected so no bo streams on twitch for 6 months or never again.

Edit 2: if anyone wants to see bo response in the comment section cause its a bit hidden under all these comments https://www.reddit.com/r/Bokoen1/comments/1tgpx3j/comment/omkepa6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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u/Bokoen1 The one and only 16d ago edited 16d ago

The ban makes a lot more sense after I actually understand what glassing means now and rewatch the clip. For that I apoligize, as I've also typed in other comments.

I'd still argue a permanent ban/ 6 months is a little on the harsher side when you look at the past verdicts of Twitch bans and the fact I've had 0 issues on Twitch for +9 years.

As in regards to what the others do it will be up to them. I assume Golden will be the main person worrying as he actually needs the income and depends on it. Swimmy doesn't stream as much and isn't dependant on the income as much as Golden is. A solution would either be they mute me or stream on other platforms.

I will continue streams on Kick in the short term and potentially move to YouTube if I'm not unbanned. Even though I know what Kick is, it is just the easier platform to setup on short term.

Also for anyone saying I'm gonna become a right wing grifter or a nazi, fuck you. You're clearly not an actual viewer and listen to what I actually say if that's what you believe.

I'll take the downdoots to go, but I want this comment to be here so people can read it.

EDIT: It has been confirmed that the appeal has been denied. I'm honestly emotionally devastated and feel as it's incredibly harsh after +9 years of good conduct on the platform. I understand I said something wrong, however I'll stand by the punishment is too harsh.

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u/Mittens-Romney 16d ago

A solution would either be they mute me or stream on other platforms.

I watch a streamer who said that Twitch updated their ToS to make it so people can stream with others even if they are banned (if that makes sense) as long as the banned person isn’t the “focus” of the content.

It was changed to be like this because of drama it caused with GTA roleplay streamers (I think)

No idea if this is actually true but I know for 100% I heard a fairly large streamer talk about this.

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u/Mysterious-Kiwi1984 16d ago edited 16d ago

I hate to be that person because its awkward to say, but even in this not full clip you are saying "glassed the whole fucking thing".

I find it really hard to believe that you saying that after blaming Russians for not rising up can exist in the same reality as you not knowing what it means and what you are implying with it.
I get that when it comes to a ban appeal the best thing to do is play the "I'm just a dumb streamer and didnt know" card but come on man, we all know that you know what it means.

I also get that it most likely was a half/quarter serious thing that you said that was part joke, part frustration with Russia's invasion and not really a serious statement. Everybody has their gamer moments, jokes that dont land and doubles down on the wrong things and admitting that it was a stupid thing to say is a natural part of reconciling that.

But honestly, you trying to weasel out of it and play stupid makes me less sure about you not being a total racist and actually wanting to have the Russian population killed for not rising up against their government.
I still believe, or at least want to believe, that you dont think that but the whole trying to squirm away and play stupid makes that belief a lot less strong and kinda just makes you sound like a closet, if not open, racist/nazi.

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u/Weeklyn00b 15d ago

I agree. At first it sounds like its barely plausible that he wanted a show-of-strength nuke , if you swap the word "glass" for "nuke". But then later he says they shouldve gotten rid lf them all, and glassing "the whole fucking thing" with the hindsight of how the "whole" russian population is like. Yeah idk, seems like he's playing dumb to large degrees

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u/Saurid 14d ago

Yes he does, probably because any excuse he can give for saying glass "the whole thing", would make him look bad, because while I get where his mind comes from (aka attack Russia after ww2 to get rid of the second worst government on the planet right away which in hindsight would have been possibly good but required the brand application of nukes) is a statement one can make.

If you go on a rant about grassing a country it does not sound like alt history or an opinion on the russian government at the time but rather the whole population.

Which would mean any honest answer would include him saying soemthing like "I believe the grassing of Russia wouldve been in hindsight a ok price to pay to get rid of the russian government", which is probably more in line with his thoughts and a more valid discussion about the pros and cons of going full nuclear war againgst the USSR after ww2. But it doenst make him look any better. Arguing he miss used glassing is baisically his best shot at getting his channel back from twitch even though anyone with two braincells sees he is trying to weasel out of his comment.

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u/DerAaltag 13d ago

Sorry but Stalin was not worse than Hitler. So none of that "second worde government" shit.

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u/SouthWind3660 10d ago

Hitler's would be the worst so yeah, Stalin would be the second worst at the time

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u/DerAaltag 9d ago

Pol Pot?

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u/SouthWind3660 9d ago

Im pretty sure he was in power in 70s, not 40s

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u/Killerwolf162 1d ago

I would rather life under stalin that current day US imperialism. Go read an unbiased history book on what happenend during his rule. Life under current US regulation is much harsher in comparison than under 1940s soviet rule

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u/SouthWind3660 15h ago

This is just not true bro. Tell this shi to all the ukrainians who were starved to death. Or to the Kazakhs, or the wealthier people OR the people who were purged, OR to the polish people. The cunt is responsible for the deaths of MILLIONS. It is also not like Soviet Union wasnt an imperialist piece of shit

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u/Saurid 14h ago

That's disgusting and so disrespectful againgst all the people stalin murdered and imprisoned.

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u/The_Dynasty_Project 16d ago

Yeah, I'm with you on this. I've been a viewer since the very first HOI4 video. I know Bo has said some dumb shit that I don't agree with sometimes and that's fine but this is ridiculous, and the apology comes across as completely disingenuous to me. Maybe it is genuine, but it really doesn't add up. The fact that fucking Braun and Golden are the ones trying to rein him in really highlights that he should've known what he was saying was unacceptable. I mean even in the apology and responses Bo is contradicting himself. Claiming that he thought glassing was deploying nukes along the frontline and the capital but he says in the clip that all of Russia should've been glassed? What is "all" if it's only specific parts? And then saying that all loss of civilian life is tragic as if dropping dozens of nukes across Russia and on a major population center isn't targeting civilians?

And come the fuck on, who is a Dane to say that Russians should rise up against authoritarianism? His country surrendered after 6 hours when faced with tyranny. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and say "just revolt lmao" but people generally don't like to risk death until they're out of options. I would've expected a lot better from someone who went to school for political science and international relations.

I would love to give Bo the benefit of the doubt here because I love his content but I'm not an idiot. What he said was what he meant. I really hope he takes some time off to reflect on things because advocating for genocide is not the move. And if he really did mean what he claims, then that's still pretty heinous. Life isn't a video game. He's advocating for millions of people to die needlessly either way.

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u/DerAaltag 13d ago

Denmark propably the most based country in WW2 though. First keeping most of it's population safe by surrendering and later also saving 90% of their jewish population.

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u/Finlandia1865 11d ago

Imagine doing the same thing without surrendering and keeping almost all of their jewish population safe (>99%)

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u/DerAaltag 11d ago

What country do you mean?

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u/Finlandia1865 11d ago

Finland

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u/DerAaltag 11d ago

I was talking about "based" counties.
Finland was an ALLY of Germany, right? I wouldn't really call allying with Nazi-Germany "based"

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u/Finlandia1865 11d ago

Well the danes literally had a national socialist government lmao. I dont consider allying against the soviets to be that bad of an idea when the allies direvtly refused to aid finland

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u/VenetianArsenalRocks 10d ago

Finland is based for sure but allying the Nazis isn't something to be proud of. What's next, "based France surrendering after 6 weeks and saving so many of their citizens from further pointless death"? You seem to have a very different idea of what is "based"...

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u/Low_Minute8262 1d ago

Denmark would've been annihilated in World War two. The Nazi's had the numbers and would've won in a few days. The Danes surrendered because the Prime Minster knew that trying to fight a conventional war was not an option. Denmark had inferior weapons, tech, and troops (numbers, training, experience, ect). They lost in six hours, because they couldn't last much longer. They only had bad options. They still resisted, but by getting Jews out to Sweden and by insurgent warfare, not conventional warfare.

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u/Unusual-Basket-6243 11d ago

You are comparin it to what the leaders of Denmark did when his grandparents lived.

You are right but you chose the worst example for it. No man should be blamed for what his relatives have done

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u/The_Dynasty_Project 11d ago

I'm not really interested in arguing but I think you've missed the point. As a Dane, he should be well aware that people do not just decide to rebel one day against tyrannical governments, because his country surrendered to it within living memory. It should be a part of Denmark's national consciousness. I am not claiming that it's his fault for Denmark not resisting more. I am saying he should know better. There would have been people with first hand experience when Bo was growing up that he would've met. If anything, it's a bad example moreso because there actually was a Danish resistance.

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u/Unusual-Basket-6243 11d ago

you are right but you should read what you wrote again

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u/ItchyFishi 13d ago

Can't be racist against Russians. They aren't a race.

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u/MoveFew1521 13d ago

Mfw im 12 and just discovered what semantics are but cant actually add anything interesting, useful, or novel to the conversation.

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u/ItchyFishi 13d ago

It is not “semantics” to ask people to use serious accusations correctly.

If someone says something hateful or genocidal about Russians, call it that. Call it xenophobic, anti-Russian, or genocidal rhetoric. But throwing around “racist” and “nazi” for every bad statement just waters those words down until they stop meaning anything specific.

You can criticize what he said without reaching for the strongest label possible.

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u/MoveFew1521 13d ago

Lowkey sorry abt the first comment, i just looked back at it and that was rude as shit for very little justifiable reason im just tired and grumpy rn (also why im so long winded rn), sorry :(

To be clear i agree with you that calling him a nazi over this is overblown, you commented specifically abt racism so im more responding to that.

Race is not a scientific category, its a social one that changes over time, for the romans the races were pretty much roman citizens and barbarians, in america irish and italian people werent considered part of the “white race” for a century and a half. So what exactly distinguishes race from ethnicity and what makes Russian not a race when historically we sort of just make the races up to suit current societal needs?

So when the practical outcome of the action of racism/xenophobia is the same (prejudice against an arbitrarily selected group of people) and youre correcting someone’s wording I’d say thats semantics.

Also again to be clear, if your original comment was abt the nazism accusation id say thats not semantics.

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u/krissz70 10d ago

Yeah, I find this apology astonishingly bad. Even though I agree with the fact that equal actions deserve equal measures, yet similar things said by bigger streamers gets swept under the rug.

As a hobby, I took up thinking up apologies in other people's place, and while I do think that it can be insensitive, and out of place, I hope you don't mind me sharing this one:

During the recent stream I got into a heated debate, where I went WAY overboard, and said some things that aren't acceptable as a human being, let alone a public figure / influencer.

To be specific, calling a whole group of people, a whole nation's worth of them in fact, calling them names is bad enough on it's own.
To make things worse, I'm just a Dane, who had the privilege of growing up in a safe environment in a safe country, and I never had anything to worry about, or want for. It's not at all my place to judge people in post-war Russia for not adhering to my idealised 21st century world-views, when I have never experienced more than half the shit they've been through. I'm genuinely sorry about that.

Then I even went one step further. I called for violence against these people, using unthinkable means. Even worse, I was playing with the idea of redistributing absolute obliteration, like it's a fucking game. The Russian population shouldn't get nuked, that second nuke didn't NEED to go anywhere. Not on Japan the first two times, not on any living being, not on this entire fucking planet.

Sorry doesn't begin to cover the lines I overstepped, but it's all I can atone with. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Sincerely.

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u/Mysticalsputnik 1d ago

This right here. It's one thing to hate the government, but to go as far as saying that the people who are being oppressed are at fault for not rising up and as such should be nuked, and then DOUBLING DOWN ON THAT, yeah that doesn't seem right. None of us live in these dictatorships so none of us can say how it's like to live under them let alone to topple them.

Moreover, yeah sure, we didn't understand what the word "glassed" meant, but we do know what nuking means and does. It just genuinely looks like Bo found this single defense line to excuse himself and ignore everything else he said.

And I'm not saying this as a pro-USSR or pro-Russia individual, but rather as someone who doesn't think that innocent civilians are at fault for being oppressed and that the many should be genocided because of the few who are in charge.

At the end of the day, that clip and this comment above, and the lack of accountability for EVERYTHING ELSE he's said just screams nazi to me, even if I don't want to beleive it. Again, just because you didn't understand what glassed meant doesn't mean you didn't understand everything you said and I firmly beleive that even without the "glassing", the comments made would have been just as bad regardless.

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u/Neveraththesmith 16d ago

Wtf you didn't know? "They should have use nukes" how is that supposed to be interpreted anyway other than "Every single city of Russia should have been a nuke target?"

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u/Ok_Spite_6491 14d ago

how do you nuke every russian city with only one nuke?

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u/Secret-Record-6308 14d ago

he said "they should have glassed the whole thing".

the only reasonable interpertation is that he meant they should drop nukes across all of russia. obviously it wouldn't be possible since there only was one nuke. but "it wouldn't have been possible in reality" isn't really a good defense against genocidal yapping.

when hitler said he wanted to colonize all of russia with germans and eradicate the natives, it wouldn't exactly have been a good defense to say "well we wouldn't have been able to do *all* of it..."

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u/Spartancoolcody 16d ago

You've never watched a Bokoen video if you've never heard of the concept of tactical nuclear weapons.

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u/RasonablRadditorr 16d ago

You don't use a tactical nuke on a capital city lmao, he even specified it should have been little boy/fat man which were not tactical nukes

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u/Spartancoolcody 16d ago

Okay and you use those nukes on the front lines and they’re still not tactical nukes?

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u/RasonablRadditorr 16d ago

I guess they are small enough by modern day standards that they could be used that way even if that wasn't the original intention, but regardless he did specify Moscow as the target

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u/WheatleyBr 16d ago

Sure they might be considered that though they're still quite potent for tactical nukes
But Bo said Moscow.

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u/kadarakt 14d ago

"moscow" must mean "the frontlines" in danish huh

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u/f3tsch 16d ago

"After i actually understand what glassing means now"

"They shoulda nuked moscow"

Pick one

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u/Icy-Investigator5262 16d ago

Yeah i dont buy this.
Even if he didnt know, he is still talking about nuking civilians and the "retarded russian people".
LIke..that does not really make it better in any way unless i completly misunderstand him.

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u/winowmak3r 16d ago

I find it hard to believe as well, lol. It didn't sound that bad in his head if it only meant just nuking Moscow? Like what?

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u/nickpantss 15d ago

I mean he also said the Russian people deserve it so he clearly knew what it meant and is now trying to do damage control

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u/winowmak3r 15d ago

That is exactly what it is lol

He's telling me he's played ICBM and yet is unfamiliar with the term "to glass" a country? Press X to doubt lol

There's only so much you can chalk up to the language barrier and he's not that stupid.

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u/BushWishperer 15d ago

Can't believe the hearts of iron player is a chud who thinks mass murder is acceptable... the west has fallen.

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u/RedstoneEnjoyer 15d ago

Even better - "they should have get rid of them" followed by rant about how Russians are "retarded for not doing anything but dictators"

Yeah, what was that supposed to mean?

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u/captainryan117 12d ago

funny how Russophobes will screech about how all Russians are responsible for everything bad the Russian government (which they will agree is a dictatorship and thus they are inherently disinfranchised and have very few options short of active militant resistance against it) does; but when every couple years western democracies invade, coup or bomb a random country for not letting those "democracies" do what they want with their natural resources then somehow you can't judge them because there's nothing they can do.

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u/Bobbobybobar 14d ago

There's nothing wrong with nuking a city in 1945
Someone (wrongfully) told him that glassing basically means genociding, which is false (it just means nuking) hence why he says that he didn't know what it means

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u/GevaddaLampe 16d ago

you’ll get the upvote for posting anyway, but man. What did you believe glassing even means?

Anyway, touch some grass and please spend some time reflecting what you were actually saying. Best of luck

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u/Bokoen1 The one and only 16d ago

I'll say what I typed in my Discord when some guy asked me this and I was then explained afterwards.

I thought what I was saying was like attacking the USSR using shock and awe with the nuclear bombs the US had at the time. One on Moscow to topple the government the rest on the frontline to gain the army advantage. Then using conventional bombing like they did to Germany and Japan. In the context of Operation Unthinkable.

I was then told my Discord members that glassing means wiping out an entire population. This is not even what I tried to argue in this clip. Obviously that doesn't make the clip not TOS, but I'd like people to stop saying "Bo wants to genocide the Russian population". That is not something I want. I apologize for what I said and have so in other posts as well. It wont change that I still argue that the ban length is too harsh.

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u/Tw3lve1212 16d ago edited 16d ago

Yes for future reference glassing is in reference to turning the soil into glass from nuking the whole country.

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u/aidank21 16d ago

Most calm and rationale explanation of a Twitch ban ever.

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u/heteroterrorist7 16d ago

Nuking Russia’s main civilian population center is still incredibly abhorrent

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u/Bokoen1 The one and only 16d ago

I’m aware, any civilian death is abhorrent. That’s why I’m apologising.

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u/babybabayyy 15d ago

How did you even let that slip initially? You called them idiots for not "overthrowing the government". I don't buy this apology or line of thinking one bit.

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u/slimehunter49 15d ago

Not even let it slip but keep fucking saying it and doubling and tripling down as others said “idk that’s like not good”

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u/Ferninad1 16d ago

trueeeee, why did we even bomb Germany or Japan anyway

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u/Ferninad1 16d ago

We literally were leveling cities in Germany and Japan. In the context of operation Unthinkable, which would absolutely have been a total war scenario, leveling Moscow would just follow the exact same rationale.

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u/GevaddaLampe 15d ago

The bombing of German cities was actually justifiable by Geneva convention as the Germans broke the convention first with their bombardments of British civilians. The allied scale was certainly a different one, but the justification for their actions against the Axis were a reaction to their war crimes. You can of course, and rightfully so I would encourage anyone in future conflicts to do so, criticise those actions.

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u/Bobbobybobar 14d ago

That's not how the Geneva convention works, try reading it before saying such nonsense. Wth

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u/GevaddaLampe 14d ago

Bobbo, this is a thread of a guy playing map games. Don’t expect me to give historical accurate lectures here.

Furthermore, under the Geneva convention of the time, the aerial bombardment of civil infrastructure was not regulated. The allies justified their campaigns in Germany with reciprocity and simply had the bigger gun.

My understanding, but I am neither a historian nor an expert in the application and interpretation of historical international laws. Do I have to point this out in the future?

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u/Bobbobybobar 14d ago

So you're literally admitting that you made up your claim

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u/GevaddaLampe 14d ago

Are you trolling? I am telling you that my comment is not a historians scientifically approved paper, but a loose paraphrasing out of my memory. What’s the problem?

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u/heteroterrorist7 16d ago edited 16d ago

Yes, and our actions in doing that are heavily critiqued today? Most people I know do not believe Hiroshima or Nagasaki were justified, nor the bombing of explicit civilian infrastructure.

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u/AuxiliarySimian 14d ago

Most second war historians tend to lean towards it being necessary, not to mention almost the entirety of non-Japanese East Asia.

Regardless, whether it was justified or not Japan was the aggressor and still killing civilians everyday with their presence in China and Korea. It's such a bad faith terrible equivalency to compare it to launching an invasion of a nation at peace with a nuke as the spearhead. Not to mention Bokoen was basically alluding to wiping out every city east of Poland.

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u/EarlyGrapefruit152 16d ago

But the Allies would be the agressor then

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u/Bobbobybobar 14d ago

Only someone who doesn't know anything about WW2 would say such silly thing as "Nuking main civilian population centers is incredibly abhorrent", it was the common strategy in WW2
In the context of the time (which is the one and only point of view one should see) it is not morally wrong (well, people knew it was wrong but "necessary" in the context of total war)
Using nukes to do so, was not a problem until WELL after WW2. In 1945 it was just a new kind of bomb, nothing else.

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u/yashatheman 14d ago

It is abhorrent, because that would be nuking an allied country's capital

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u/MoveFew1521 13d ago

Do you genuinely not see a difference between nuking a country to end an ongoing war in which that country is the only major hostile entity left and nuking a country you are at peace with and were just allied to for the past half decade to start a new war or are you baiting?

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u/MoveFew1521 13d ago

For the sake of any person you interact with in real life i sincerely hope its the second one and youre not unironically this slow.

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u/heteroterrorist7 14d ago
  1. Bo was making this argument in 2026, not 1945. He said he still believed, with hindsight, that nuking Moscow was a good idea, so context is not relevant here. Regardless though, point 2.
  2. Truman and the U.S. high command did not deem Hiroshima and Nagasaki as the only viable targets. They had several non-inhabited areas that were finalists, and strategists behind the Franck Reports truly believed that civilian areas being targeted were not a requirement for the demonstration of the bomb.

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u/Bobbobybobar 14d ago

1-He was talking about 1945, not 2026. There is no such thing as "with hindsight". Morals change over time, using late cold war (up to today) morals to judge what one should have done before is complete nonsense.
2-they were not a requirement... for the DEMONSTRATION of the bomb. Those cities were selected in the context of strategic bombing of cities, which, as i already explained, was totally normal at the time.

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u/heteroterrorist7 14d ago
  1. What are you even talking about? Bo had the benefit of hindsight in being in 2026. Bo said he “deadass believes” that nuking Moscow would have been a good idea back then. He made no statement saying “it was a good idea then, but it is not a good idea now.” Ironically, had he said that, he probably wouldn’t have been banned.
  2. No they weren’t? The entire U.S. high command were well aware that it was not like any other strategic bombing run because they had repeatedly tested this bomb before; that’s why they considered non-inhabited areas.

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u/Bobbobybobar 14d ago

-There's no such thing as "benefit of hindsight", and the only reason nuclear weapons are a taboo today is because of the fear of mutual annihilation. Destroying a city with bombs is no different than using a single nuclear bomb (the bombing of Tokyo was famously worse than Hiroshima and Nagasaki put together). Particularly given that in 1945 the idea was mainly to end the war early to save hundreds of thousands lives. So against the exhausted Soviet Union the idea would have been the same. -And no, the evaluation of different targets had nothing to do with morals. The point of using the 2 bombs was to show their new capacity to convince Japan to end the war but they ultimately choose strictly civilian targets which literally proves my point.

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u/Ok-Line442 15d ago

theres absolutely 0 chance you didnt know what glassing meant, the only use of this word came from halo and the covenant killing every living thing on a planet, what did you think glassing meant? throwing a glass of water at a dude?

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u/Duangelion 16d ago

So you're saying you figured glassing meant "give 'em a glass of ass-kicking juice" while also saying that 4 million people should've been killed.

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u/Saurid 14d ago

Was the nuking of Japan ok? Was fighting ww2 ok? Because if you argue saying "we should destroy the evil government" is bad becauee it kills innocent people fighting back againgst that government is also bad.

People die in war, if you want to destroy the USSR to stop their evil which killed more people (if you ascribe to autilitarian point of view) then what else would you do? Arguably using a nuke (which btw wouldnt have levelled the city or killed near 4 million people as the nuke of the time were much too weak probably more in the high hundreds of thousands), then doing exactly that would have the highest chance of ending the wr with minimal casualties.

I dont think it wouldve worked but if it would have worked and made Russia a democrtaic free nation (again I doubt it). Then its arguably worth it if you count lives saved vs lives lost. Especially if you lay all the warcrime and genocides dont by russian allies or later chinese allies (since the communists in china wouldve lost without russia).

Saying "oh no how could you say we should nuke a city to destroy an evil regime" is pretty high minded and disingenuous if you also argue that one shouldn't lay dont their weapons and not shoot back at people attacking you. We cana rogue about morality and wether the attack would be just or moral as it would be a firsts trike using the most deadly weapon I history but unless you wna to argue one should NEVER fight evil you implicitly will agree that killing innocent people for a better future is ok as no war can be fought without doing that.

Lastly one can rheu about the usage of nukes and their morality of course, I do think they are too terrible to be used but if one wnats to destroy the USSR befor eit kills millioan through its actions in the coming century, you cannot win without using nukes. Hell youd need multiple. The only reason I think its unjust is because the result would not be a better but worse world in my opinion and have killed more people.

That all from someone who agrees bo said something completely inappropriate and stupid and deserves his 6 months ban. I just dislike your argument as its in my.opinion very much actively misleading and misinterpreting what bo wrote.

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u/yashatheman 14d ago

Difference is the USSR was an allied country, so yeah, nuking the capital of the USSR is pretty abhorrent

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u/Saurid 14d ago

And they were run by the second worst dictator in the generation who depending on how you count killed more people than the nazis (we wpuld need to include some after war stuff and give him at least partial fault for the abhorwn soviet losses againgst the nazis which his decisions did vastly increase to be fair). In any serious argument the alliance doesnt matter as it always was one of convenience. If the soviet union was not as devasted by the nazis they probably wouldve fought.

So calling them allies is pretty stretching it partners of convenience is much more apt and ignoring all that, its equally abhorrent to argue because the soviets fought on the same side as the allies the millions their regme and its actions would kill in the subsequent years are somehow justified and all right.

Using a nuke is always abhorrent, the question is if it wouldve achieved a better world. If you argument is solely based on "its bad becaue etehy we're friends" or " irs bad becaue epopel die" or "its bad because civilians die" then you are not arguing ny serious statement as the action of doing nothing has the equal or greater effect. Arguing loss of live as the reaosn its bad is a terrible argument in this case because the soviet union would go on to kill million and tens of millions to hundreds if we include all the consequences of them support terrible communist regimes. Like eliminating them eliminates maos win later on which would maybe reduce the detah toll in china by a few ten million.

So unless you want to argue that russian lives are inherently more important and that is why the soviet union should never be attacked, attacking it and destroying it at all costs thanks to the butterfly affect of mao losing the civil war alone would justify the deathtoll. That excludes many other regimes mind you.

To add I dont even agree with bo's idea. Its stupid, it probably wouldnt have resulted in a much better world. But thats not the argument you or most people here make. The argument brought up here by you and most people is

"nuke bad because innocent people die so let evil regime that kills million directly and tens to hundreds of millions indirectly live!"

Which is just silly.

(Edit to clarify when I way hundreds of millions i mean 100million + which might be resched not 200+ I jsut dont know how to say 1XXmillion in English in a better way since it sy second language).

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u/Duangelion 14d ago

Was the nuking of Japan ok?

No.

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u/Saurid 14d ago

So youd rather have a weapon like that lying around where the true devastation was never shown and people would be much more willing to use it leading to a much more liekly nuclear world war and the deats of millions of more people at least?

Because saying Japan shouldnt have been nuked is like saying"I am fine with a nuclear war" or with "I am fine with 10s of millions dying during downfall" or "I am fine with firebombs but not one big bomb".

Its a short sighted answer and probably can only be made by someone who never really thought about it critically. If we didnt see what happened in japan, people would not be so appaled by them and they wouldve been used so late that the arsenals would have killed more people. So with any degree of undratanding of human behavior it was the right thing to do.

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u/Duangelion 14d ago

Me saying Japan shouldn't have been nuked is me saying I want more nukes to be dropped on innocent people?

Don't reply to me before losing some chromosomes, kiddo.

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u/Saurid 14d ago

Its essentially the result yes. If you are so innocent as to believe mankind would not use a weapon it never tested eventually when they have no clearly defined point of its power, then sure go on to believe that.

If you wnat to believe multiple millions of innocent lives should be lost during operation downfall as that was the onyl other option after the nukes, then go on believe that.

I wont sit here and pretend to be that ignornat about human nature.

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u/Bombi_Deer 14d ago

Brain dead take

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u/Bombi_Deer 14d ago

You deleted your reply to me pretty quick

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u/nickpantss 15d ago

This is such a bad excuse. You said the russian people deserve it for being too stupid to overthrow their authoritarian government and that a nuke should be dropped on their main population center. Like at least own what you said rather than backing down like this lol.

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u/LolypopsRev 15d ago

So just millions od dead civilians and afterwards tens of million dead red army ( including millions of Ukrainians btw) and allied soldiers? After they defeated the fucking Nazis? 

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u/Flat_Roof_6033 14d ago

Bo man dont take up that line, you are doing a fine job apologising but dont do the apeal to ignorance , its only going to add fuel to the fire.

Ive been whatching your videos consistently , like 95% of what you post, for 6+ years now. I'm sorry but I cannot belive, as many probably dont, that you did not know what glassing means, you guys play ICBM for gods sake!

Ofcourse I'm not inside your head so I have no idea of what you infact do or do not know, so you can be being 100% honnest and we are all mistrusting cunts. But Im confident that the term glassing has come up several times, be it ICBM, HOI4, Interplanetary or any other game what has Nukes/Nuke equivalents.

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u/-Razen- 15d ago

It doesn't matter man; you're right, don't listen to whatever tankie or whoever's pissed in there, they totally should have done something about the USSR when they had the chance, even more so as a Stalin was in charge. They would've saved us centuries of sorrow. People today are still paying the price.

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u/Icy-Investigator5262 16d ago

Hey Bo, thanks for the comment.
This is genuine advice: Maybe take a look around you and take a break.
You have people here that say you said nothing wrong, even on your discord. Yes, defending the favorite streamer is nice but i want to believe you, that you understand what you said is really fucked up and wrong. And i think having these people around maybe influenced you because it lower the inhibitions.

Maybe take a break, take the time to maybe think if youve changed a bit in the wrong direction or in certain ways. Maybe take a look at whos around to influence the environment you have and just relax a bit. Ive watched you for a long time and while you always were passionate, i think this is a new peak/low depending on the viewpoint. And i dont think, as many people would probably agree, that you are like that.

I understand that the situation is devastating, not only financial wise, but maybe just take it slow as possible as you can. For your own sake as an investment in the future.

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u/Diego12028 Woman respecter 16d ago

That actually sucks Bo, I hope that you somehow manage to recuperate your Twitch platform, and if you don't, that at least you are as successful in either Kick or Youtube. It is way over the top and hopefully you see better days in the future.

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u/Frampton_Apologist 16d ago

"I didn't know what glassing meant even though I was contextually using it perfectly and I'm a gamer who knows what Halo is and other people in the call were telling me to chill and I doubled down." nah.

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u/RuralJaywalking 15d ago

Ngl I too think the punishment is harsh, but it’s hard to believe that you didn’t know what you were saying even if you didn’t know the exact meaning of “glassing”.

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u/ThoughtF4ll 15d ago

Everyone was literally awkwardly trying to switch the subject from you spluttering calls for genocide on an entire tangent about nuking Moscow and glassing Russians and calling them regarded. Socializing isn't your forte but you should've taken their hint, holy shit.

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u/kuba_mar 15d ago

Nah i call absolute bullshit on you not knowing what glassing meant, you play a ton of HOI4 and ICBM for crying out loud, i mean for fucks sake even in this clip its hard to argue you’re using it with anything but the actual meaning in mind.

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u/Equivalent_Low3548 15d ago

Watched u for a while and understand your humor, however it really felt like u meant this? Especially how many times u repeated and clarified it, even going in depth to explain ur pov? So weird for u to say "nah, it's just my humor, if u dont understand u ain't a real one" essentially. Quite frustrating as well is that your post afterwards really focus on how twitch is wrong and how they gave no bans for more, and while that is true, this is a rare twitch W. Defending citizens of a country who is otherwise (deserved) is in deep shit rn.

However! I was born in russia, so u may disregard everything i said. (I fled before I was 18, so didn't get a chance to vote or anything, and no longer have any ties to that place except half my relatives living there)

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u/EchoZero17 15d ago

Sure you didn't know?

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u/CowReasonable1108 16d ago

I think especially with other people's conduct on the platform, that ban was way too harsh, I definitely agree with you.

Also, you can correct the record, but having watched your YT for years, it seemed you had the "exaggerating"/sarcasm tone going. Similar to like a "The axis was just a peacekeeping force in WW2" during the nothing ever happens game.

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u/Bokoen1 The one and only 16d ago

Initially I’d agree with the sarcasm tone, however afterwards I get carried away and go too far. I apologise for that

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u/Arno_Vaffar 16d ago

I'm curious about something. How come you and all the rest of you nafoid freaks are oh so 'passionate' about murdering Russians, yet none of you seem very interested in volunteering for Ukraine and actually do the thing you really want to do. Despite the fact that Ukraine is very much glab to accept foreign volunteers into its army. Why is that?

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u/mekolayn 16d ago

I guess that explains why Bokoen One got banned - zetniks like you mass reported him for opposing Russia

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u/Arno_Vaffar 16d ago

opposing Russia

He doesn't. That's exactly the point. Which is what my question is about. Why do none of you walk the walk? Just non-stop yapping and larping.

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u/thren_FPS 15d ago

You said it, man. They're just larping, chanting ‘death to all Russians’ and blaming ordinary Russian citizens, while hiding behind a screen 16 hours a day instead of doing anything themselves.

If war ever came to their own doorstep, they\d probably be the first ones panicking and begging others to fight for them.

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u/freaky_withthat_FEET 14d ago

Streamer says that Allies should've "glossed retarted Russians"

Doesn't even deny it.

Fanbase: IT'S ALL ZETNIKS FAULT. WE'RE NOT RACISTS, YOU SUBHUM- EHHH, VATNIK!

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u/mustloveLain 16d ago

did you learn what nuking means too?

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u/SpontaneousIrony 16d ago

Are you concerned that should another event like this happen and you are on YouTube, that they may take down your main channel. I have seen you talking about Kick as a death sentence for streaming, but is it worth the risk on YouTube if platforms aren't diversified?

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u/UltriLeginaXI 15d ago

I know you're the furthest thing from any actual form of bad person Boe, its was likely one of those moments where words spill out without understanding their weight in the moment.

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u/Professional-Wish720 12d ago

Genuinely sorry this is happening to you Bo - love watching your content and coming home to decompress watching you stream. I think this ban is way too harsh, considering other streamers get away with way worse offenses and get a slap on the wrist compared to this. If society can't handle light-hearted humor that was not meant to be taken seriously, I don't want any part of it. If Twitch has half a brain, they'll come to their senses and make the ban a week at most... Dan Clancy, fix your shit...

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u/GroundbreakingCook63 8d ago

To be Fair To Bo many people see the same way why well USSR wasnt any better then nazi

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u/Inft8195 15d ago

Banned for saying the truth smh

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u/attrad1 16d ago edited 16d ago

Harsh punishment but I honestly would have stopped watching you anyway if I saw this clip and think others probably would too (many people must've reported you), because it seems unlikely you would've apologised without the ban. (obviously would take that back if you wouldve)

I hope you learn from it Bo. Also I don't think the glassing thing is the issue, I don't even know what that means. You gruesomely explained what you meant without that word, and your justification for it absolutely sucks too, especially for someone who should know more about this topic

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u/Alert-Trainer7287 16d ago

If you watch any hoi4 videos, thats not even an extreme statement for a streamer to make, most are extremely blunt about things like that, shocked you havent stopped watching every single one

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u/attrad1 16d ago

Go on, I’ll wait. Send me clips of a streamer being dead serious and saying shit like:

“Genocide Moscow because the Russians are retarded they have dictator and they are imperialists”

Yes, you can find dumbass statements like that from some edgy hoi4 streamers because the community is very radical. Bo isn’t (or didn’t seem like) that

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u/Glittering_Yak758 15d ago

You'll wait a while lol

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u/Awkward_History835 16d ago

Bo this was exceptionally stupid and horrible even if i can see where the anger towards Russia is coming from. Learn from this and don't make up excuses like not knowing what glassing means. I personally will keep watching your content (provided you don't say something stupid like this again) because i don't believe this was said out of a genuine want for genocide like some say however any shit slung your way that isn't that will be justified.

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u/History_ofEverything 15d ago

Bo, you got banned for something so minor and so stupid it isn't even funny.

Russia is actively murdering innocent people, I've seen blood all over the walls of homes in Kharkiv with my own eyes, a friend of mines father was one of those stains.

What twitch has done is disgusting and if you need any support getting going on Youtube, I am absolutely here.

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u/AnyPresentation9571 15d ago

Well-well, looks like some got glassed. Serves you well. 'cause saying "I said SOMETHING" wrong....gosh, oh Fabled Snake Of Denmark, just say it outright. You suggested genocide)

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u/Livid-Mongoose8691 15d ago

Bo, you're a man of principle. Surely you wouldn't help support a platform you disagree with, like Kick, for money?

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u/Saurid 14d ago

I mean in all honesty my problem with your ban is that its not more often done exactly like this. If you had made the statement about the government or anything else it would be too far but singleling out the population ... uff. I do think a permanent ban is way to harsh and I hope after 6 moths it will all be resolved.

In the end if the punishment is a 6 month ban its fair I think but it makes twitch definitely look bad for looking the other way on other issues.

I do hope kick will be very short lived I get why you use it for the short set up but yeah its a bad site. Maybe you can bring some left wing grafting to teh site it would be funny at least.

Hope he ban gets lifted in 6 months!

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u/bastiancontrari 14d ago

Also for anyone saying I'm gonna become a right wing grifter or a nazi, fuck you. You're clearly not an actual viewer and listen to what I actually say if that's what you believe.

Oh yes. Bokoen1 the notorious nazi. Always ready to show off the newest coded nazi apparell

tight

Bo, I feel you. Imho #Bokoen1 did nothing wrong. You said it correctly. Those dumping on you really have no idea of the person you are. Remember you have brought joy to a lot of people and gifted even more. All those lucky enough to get a piece won't lose time giving back, if, when, and where needed. We are here for you*

This whole descent into the-the alt-right could be a funny idea for a video or something. Just clipping the worst of the worst.

*cold news reporter narrator voice* 'A tight-knit online community. They shared the same interests. They shared the same passion. Let's hear what a friend of Bokoen1 has to say about this controversy...'

...Swigma: 'I'm a staunch national socialist.'

edited like this

Can play 'equal-opportunity hate' defense. You didn't discriminate against Russians. It's a recurring joke, remember? *Play 'I don't wanna be that guy... but... nuke Kyiv' clip*"

(is it true you'll try to enroll in the University of Vienna? Joke asides, will you write a book?)

*Ca va sans dire I'm referring to Bo as a frontman, acknowledging all the band.

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u/NathanRed2 14d ago

Common bokoen i think you knew what glassing meant 😭

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u/roosterheado 13d ago

european shocked upon learning that "genocide an entire population" does, in fact, mean "genocide an entire population". on other news, fork found in kitchen.

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u/Downtown_Parfait5103 12d ago

Don't listen to these losers bo yk the rn's will always be down w u

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u/Fjvas_309 12d ago

rest in piss bozo

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u/Commercial-Gear9290 11d ago

Nah, as a dude who left Russia I actually agree with your statement. BASED XD

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u/OcelotAggravating860 10d ago edited 10d ago

You ain't apologising dawg you knew and you meant every word of it. You very clearly and undeniably advocated for dropping a nuke on Moscow killing tens of millions of civilians to "glass them" dude.

You're apologising because you want to be unbanned, not because there was any error in what you said lmao

Couldn't have happened to a nicer person. Good riddance. Good luck getting a job dude.

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u/Inevitable_Yak_3975 10d ago

GET FUCKED LIBERAL.

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u/AdStandard6074 9d ago

Can you apologize to your russian viewers?

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u/Ok-Blacksmith1551 8d ago

"You're clearly not an actual viewer and listen to what I actually say if that's what you believe."

You mean......like when you said that horrible shit?

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u/Unionblast 4d ago

And yet Kimmikka literally had sex on stream and only got a 7 day ban.

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u/Expert-Box5465 16h ago

I was okay with this gamer moment up until reading the comment. Should have just apologized without all of this playing dumb and being disingenuous. I respected your strict discord rules policy earlier but now your just a genocidal hypocrite

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u/assasinator-98 8h ago

It's an ''alternate'' history WW2 game you are not allowed to LARP? For sure I have heard worse things being said. Patton wanted it, Churchill aswell Mac Arthur wanted to carpet nuke China. It's a game with the literal ability to do such a thing. Seems like a really weird hill to die on for Twitch.

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u/WesternMeditations 6h ago

Det er super nederen af dem. Jeg forstår også din kommentar og vrede over at russerne virker til at give efter igen og igen. Det var en rant af vrede. De burde ikke perma ban dig, det er langt over kanten. I værste tilfælde nogle dages ban. Jeg håber virkelig at du har fået det lidt bedre og i det mindste har det mentalt godt. Du er super fed og i sidste ende en nice nok fyr. Vi kan bare alle blive overvældet af ting der sker i verden engang imellem.  <3

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u/Jazzlike-Secret-8939 5h ago

Honestly it's refreshing seeing someone from western Europe caring about plight of people living close to Russia and freedom.

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u/indomienator 16d ago

Why dont you try to mask your hatred atleast? The whole "saying the quiet things out loud" applies to you rn man

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u/TheLordLambert 16d ago

Why the fuck would anyone want to mask their hatred of russia? It is the morally correct take.

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u/defpas 15d ago

Don't be a pussy and repeat this "morally correct take" on your YouTube and Twitch channels. I'd love to hear it. Then, of course, I'll notify the YouTube and Twitch administration so they can evaluate it.

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u/TheLordLambert 15d ago

I've definitely said I hate russia on youtube before. There's nothing banworthy in saying you hate russia, hell hating any other country either.

Sorry, simpleton, it won't be that easy for you.

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u/defpas 15d ago

As always, when twitter nazis are asked to put a face to their tweets, they pussy out and avoid the conversation.

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u/indomienator 15d ago

?

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u/TheLordLambert 15d ago

Not liking russia means nazi, according to russia and its simps.

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u/ItchyFishi 13d ago

Meanwhile the Russians are the much closer thing to nazis.

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u/TheLordLambert 13d ago

Basically fucking synonyms at this point.

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u/Real-Ad-5009 15d ago

Very telling with that 'nazi' word appearing out of nowhere 🤔

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u/doodle0o0o0 16d ago

Because masking hatred is only situational. No one is upset at hatred at nazis or Israelis but because this clip caught people's attention now it's bad. If this clip followed a large story about Russia doing something abhorrent in Ukraine, as they are constantly doing, no one would care.

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u/Not4n4zi 16d ago

Bro got banned for a respectfuly moderate polish opinion.

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u/Alternative_Oil7733 15d ago

Or 1939 german opinion.

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u/TheLordLambert 15d ago

In 1939 the germans were allies with the soviets, just in case you skipped that part in history class.

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u/Echoesinthedarkness 14d ago

GB and France was allied to nazis prior to that then? surely such nice presents as Rhein, Austria, and Sudetenland warrant maybe slightest bit of a praise?

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u/TheLordLambert 14d ago

Please go back to school.

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u/Echoesinthedarkness 14d ago

what, all of this doesnt count and are completely normal endeavors? or we applying different standards of judgement to different countries?

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u/trinakw3 15d ago

I find it really funny how many people are super defensive of russia for some reason. The entire history of that nation is them being genocidal nuisance to everyone of their neighbors yet when someone dares to turn it back on them people freak the fuck out.

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u/Mindless-Nail8854 15d ago

“Genocidal” sure bud.

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u/TheLordLambert 15d ago

They're literally committing genocide right now. Today. As you typed your ignorance they were in the process of it.

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u/dumbidiot12345678 15d ago edited 15d ago

You were kinda unhinged here but Russians doing propaganda/sponsorship/adverts for a place sanctioned for using underaged labour to manufacture shaheds only got like less than a week ban lmao

Twitch moment

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u/skinNyVID 15d ago

Why are you backtracking? In hindsight, you said nothing wrong here. Stand by it.

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u/slimehunter49 15d ago

I def won’t be supporting someone any longer who fully believes that the Allie’s should have committed genocide against the Soviet Union.

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u/No_Illustrator_5079 15d ago

So. Let me clarify.
In a nutshell, your take is "Oh no, I didn't mean to destroy the whole country completely, I just want to kill tens of millions of people, there's nothing to punish me for. What's wrong with wanting to kill millions of people I don't even know, just because my government and media said they were bad?"

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u/Dantels 16d ago

Glassing is clearly an exaggeration given how few nukes the allies actually had. (And that they'd all need to be plane delivered) They could maybe get some of the Ural factories, Moscow and a couple already destroyed cities.

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u/winowmak3r 16d ago

Makes all the difference, that distinction.

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u/Dantels 15d ago

I mean their population was too spread out for nukes to make a real impact. Though given it was all a fantast I don't know if he was imagining even more bombs than existed.

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u/winowmak3r 15d ago

That's some real "The slaves actually lived better lives in bondage" energy.

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u/ascended_scuglat 16d ago edited 16d ago

If it helps at all Bo, I completely agree with your take and I hope you find some good resolution. As a long term viewer (6+ years), it would really suck to see if this is how it starts to end, but I don’t think it’s entirely your fault.

Sure, you could’ve of course had much better phrasing, but to end your career over a controversial political take (people forget how much damage Soviet oppression did to Europe and the world) is def wild. Out of all the crazy things you say and do on the channel I’m surprised this is what does you in lol

What I find even more insane is how many other twitch streamers get away with shit, like how does this get you banned if Hasan is still thriving???

Either way, I hope you can use some sort of influence or contacts to get yourself out of this. Or at the very least find a good way to carry on. I eagerly await your next video o7

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u/Swiftfooted357 16d ago

Should have abused your cat live on stream, would have been a 1 week ban max. But jokes aside you have a point with Russia beeing a problem for western civilisation, ever since the end of ww2 and their populace being way to compliant with authoritarian leaders. Now we have Russian bots/trolls everywhere, even one in the White House and still everybody wants to pretend we don’t have a problem with them.

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u/Impressive-Loss-1058 16d ago

I honestly only see this as you just getting too lost in the Sauce.