r/AskArgentina • u/HowsThisSoHard • Mar 20 '26
Historia đŠđ· Argentina and the U.K. should be good friends. We love football, F1 - Argentina are good at rugby! We should fix it?
Itâs quite a shame that the two countries donât get along due to islands none of us are going to move to. Itâs a shame because I think weâd get along very well.
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u/balc9k Mar 20 '26
We need a better offer, in Ireland they love football, F1 and hate england.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Ireland are terrible at football! I learnt today all their rugby players come from 8 schools. Never knew it was such a posh/elite sport there
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u/balc9k Mar 20 '26
That's true, but England is good at best, at the world cup at least. Most rugby players from Argentina are also from CASI or SIC from wealthy families
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Yeah I guess rugby is a bit of posh sport, most people just kick a football about. Is there hype in Argentina for the WC with it being just north of you?
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u/balc9k Mar 20 '26
Nah. There have been some posts about the absence of hype. Idk why but there's no WC climate
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Thatâs a bit crap. But youâre right, not much hype for it over here either. Probably because the orange pedo is trying to ruin the world before it starts
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u/Gold-Eye-2623 Mar 20 '26
It's not about being good at it, it's about having the passion and at that the Irish are far better than the English
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Because the Irish know they will never win so itâs just a laugh. When thereâs a chance you can win - granted you guys have more chance than us - but it becomes emotional. The Irish just have a laugh
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u/Fun_Egg_5107 Mar 20 '26
Y lo que pasa que es territorio argentino, aunque se diga mil cosas
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Pero no quiero mudarme allĂ, Âży tĂș? Deja que la gente que vive allĂ se preocupe por las islas. ÂżPor quĂ© deberĂamos no gustarnos el uno al otro por un lugar en el que no queremos vivir?
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u/Admirable-Pomelo5480 Mar 20 '26
no digo que haya que llevarse mal con las personas, pero estĂĄs relativizando el tema, y cae muy mal.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
From our side of the table we view it as something that was created to stir national pride, over time itâs become cemented in your culture. If everyone sat around a table weâd be like why do we care so much, just let the people there get on with their lives
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u/zerogael Mar 20 '26
Literalmente a nadie le importa la gente de allĂ no hay nada en contra de ellos el problema es el aprovechamiento del estado Britanico
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u/Lord_Voryn_Daggoth Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26
From our side of the table we view it as something that was created to stir national pride, over time itâs become cemented in your culture
That's british propaganda.
We have been claiming that island uninterruptedly ever since your country invaded it and evicted our people, even before the "falkland islanders" settled there.1
u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
I donât know if itâs propaganda. Itâs quite clearly something to stoke national pride that really isnât important to day to day life. As I said, none of us would move there. Nothing to do
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u/Lord_Voryn_Daggoth Mar 20 '26
It's propaganda to claim that the issue was created with the purpose of stoke national pride.
There was a real historical event that started it, you're country did invaded and evicted our people, that happened, that't not a lie, we didn't made that up.As I said, none of us would move there. Nothing to do
You don't know that.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
It was already British when Argentinians went there. A question I ask is why do you care? Do you want to move there?
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u/Lord_Voryn_Daggoth Mar 20 '26
It was already British when Argentinians went there
That so?, then how come there was no british settlement or people in there when we arrived?
A question I ask is why do you care? Do you want to move there?
Because claiming back what was taken from us is the thing we should do? Because our country was wronged and we shouldn't let you get away with it? Because you use the Falklands to claim the Antarctic? Because the UK has tried in the past to expand it's maritimate control in the South Atlantic to claim resources in our side?
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 22 '26
I really canât stress enough how Argentina is a country birthed from Spanish colonialism the same as Australia or USA from Britain. This idea the islands are a birthright is just not correct. Sorry
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u/Far-Iron-4281 Mar 20 '26
No
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
I will convince you
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u/Far-Iron-4281 Mar 20 '26
Devolveme las malvinas, despues vemos.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Itâs not mine to give, people live there. Itâs up to them
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u/Far-Iron-4281 Mar 20 '26
Gente que pusieron ustedes despues de expulsarnos a los nuestros.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Bollocks, it was just people putting a flag there and pissing off for centuries. Would you move there?
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u/Far-Iron-4281 Mar 20 '26
Si.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Haha youâre telling lies
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u/elcocotero Mar 20 '26
It's not that simple. If I drop 1000 argentinians in the middle of Australia, then I can claim that land is part of Argentina, because there are argentinians living there?
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Dude remember how Argentina became a country and why youâre white
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u/elcocotero Mar 20 '26
I'm not white, and the way Argentina became a country is so massively different to how England ended up with the islands that I don't even know where to start.
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u/Winter-Juice1720 Mar 20 '26
A Inglaterra le chupa un huevo las Islas, pero si les interesa los recursos pesqueros, de petrĂłleo, etc.
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u/Oestron Mar 20 '26
les regalemos los recursos, lo mĂĄs importante es la posiciĂłn legal respecto al reclamo antĂĄrtico. Eso es mĂĄs delicado.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
I wasnât alive at the time but from what Iâve read there was people in the British elite who were open to discussing the matter but then yeah when the military gets involved it becomes a matter of pride and people stop talking
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u/Winter-Juice1720 Mar 20 '26
Not pride, just resources.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
The U.K. isnât extracting resources though?
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u/Winter-Juice1720 Mar 20 '26
They have the permits just fot having that little piece of land there.
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u/TakeThisFreeHug Mar 20 '26
No, we shouldn't.
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u/TakeThisFreeHug Mar 20 '26
We will gladly be friends of Scotland and ireland, well we even have a lovely welsh community in southern territory but people of England and their government see us as sworn enemy and we are "yeah yeah f*ck u too bloody basterd"(don't think about uk at all). Not personal intented, I wouldn't be friend with an english, french or unionsonian/yankee(people from muricaland đșđž)
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Firstly - I have no idea how the Scottish convinced the world theyâre innocent. They loved the empire. 2nd - youâre not our sworn enemy. When Argentina first got independence there was a very good relationship, itâs only due to this idea that some islands miles away is some kind of travesty that we donât get along. Itâs silly really
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u/mosaicoredimido Mar 20 '26
You literally tried to invade buenos aires, wtf
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Yeah but that was old us when companies had entire navies. A lot of European empire was Amazon and Facebook running around with a military
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u/Great-Artichoke917 Mar 20 '26
Realmente no hay mucho problema con la gente que es inglesa o de reino unido en si. Argentina despuĂ©s de chile es el paĂs con mayor asilo de britĂĄnicos y la guerra fue por la decisiĂłn de un dictador borracho que mando chicos inexpertos a pelear con una potencia militar. Lo de las Malvinas me parece un reclamo legĂtimo de nuestra parte pero eso no justifica ningĂșn tipo de odio o rechazo hacia la gente britĂĄnica.
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u/Curious-Sherbet-9393 Mar 20 '26
Ladrones y borrachos, no se puede uno fiar de los ingleses, devuelvan las Malvinas, devuelvan Gibraltar
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u/ElizabethNotheQueen Mar 20 '26
Give us back our Malvinas and we'll see
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
No deal. What do we get?
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u/ElizabethNotheQueen Mar 20 '26
Dignity
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
I think allowing people to live in peace would be better
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u/ElizabethNotheQueen Mar 20 '26
Usurpers don't get to choose
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
May I ask, do you have conversations in Argentina about the country is a colonist nation like the USA, Australia etc?
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u/ElizabethNotheQueen Mar 20 '26
Jokes on you, I am native. This is my land.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Okay, youâre a native. The majority of Argentina isnât. So why do your European countrymen have such a connection to the islands?
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u/ElizabethNotheQueen Mar 20 '26
And you're wrong again, 60% of argentinians have native blood, specially in the north and the south. Most of the immigrants that came here in the last century came peacefully and we opened the doors for them. If anyone wants to live peacefully in our land, we can share, but not with usurpers.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Itâs one of the most European countries in Latin America. Sorry dude but itâs a colony nation like Canada or New Zealand. I think we need to accept this and move forward
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u/According_Opinion62 Mar 20 '26
is mostly politics but if ur elected ppl is doing shit to us then ur also guilty for letting them rule like that.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
We donât do anything to you guys
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u/PleasantArt9001 Mar 20 '26
Well you do exploit oil on land that is in our continental basin or plan to, so there is definitely some wealth being grabbed.
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u/lilaxs Mar 20 '26
yah honestly such a shame. got to visit scotland in '22, beautiful places and trains and nice people, hopefully some day.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Yeah I want to visit Argentina, just worried Iâll be having a drink and someone might not like me being there
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u/PleasantArt9001 Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26
Nah. We have literally no problem with British people is the gov't and its Malvinas policy we despise. In fact we kind of idolize your culture (or that used to be the case, now people here idolize the US, and I think things were better when you guys were who we looked up to, if you ask me). We DO have a problem with your government holding steady to the Malvinas Islands and some other islands we consider to be part of our country (this is something which we claimed and continue to claim since 1830s so it is nothing the junta invented, the Malvinas cause is as old as our nation, at the same time our claim is almost entirely peaceful, the war was a horrible miscalculation from a dictatorship that tried to manipulate our patriotic feelings for those islands and that is sad, but also that doesn't diminish how we feel about them or our claim which we believe to be fair). We further dislike how your gov't uses it as an argument about how you have a larger claim to a portion of Antarctica that overlaps and negates ours. Besides that we are cool. Every British rock or pop act that comes here is literally shown nothing but worship and adoration. You are welcome to some asado and good wine whenever you like!
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u/Oestron Mar 20 '26
Vas a tener problemas solamente si sacas el tema Malvinas o si las llamas "Falklands". Caso contrario, serĂĄs un gringo mĂĄs, como todos los que vienen a vacacionar.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Haha yeah I donât think Iâd start talking politics. And I thought Argentinians are gringos. Youâre all European decent (from what I know)
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u/Enough_Lawfulness247 Mar 20 '26
me chupa un huevo las malvinas, no solucionamos nuestros propios problemas y mira si vamos a hacer drama por unas islas. No hay mucho incentivo economico mas alla de la pesca
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u/Oestron Mar 20 '26
y mira, no logro vislumbrar un incentivo mayor que la superposiciĂłn del reclamo antĂĄrtico, pero bueno, calculo que eso tampoco es importante.
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u/escoliosis-cebolla Mar 20 '26
we used to be good friends, a lot of 19th century and early 20th century stuff we got here came from the UK, theres a lot of it on architecture, infrastructure, railroads for example, the malvinas war made a political tension and shit but theres no reason for us to dislike each other as citizens and trade allies, the fact that this issue has been used by politicians to gain sympathizers is cringe as fuck
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Yeah I agree. I think it is just a tool for politicians when we could be good allies
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u/uri_nrv Mar 20 '26
The truth is that the vast majority of Argentine people don't have any problem with British people.
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u/Lord_Voryn_Daggoth Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26
Only thing for that is to reach a fair arrangement in the South Atlantic and Antarctica and that's it.
I personally abhorr the U.K and british people, but if you're country ever stopped being a threat to us then that's everything that is needed for both countries to get along.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Why do you abhor British people? Thatâs wild, you shouldnât abhor anyone; maybe the French
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Also the U.K. isnât a threat, you think weâre going to invade? Why
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u/Lord_Voryn_Daggoth Mar 20 '26
We are enemies, you guys claim the same part of Antarctica than us, you use the Falklands which is also disputed to support that claim, you have military stationed there, neither the British goverment or people is interested to reach a deal with Argentina that isn't us abandoning our claims and leaving everything to the UK.
That makes you a threat.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Thereâs military there because it was attacked. If you punch me in the face Iâm going to be careful around you
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u/Lord_Voryn_Daggoth Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26
1982 was a tragedy here, and we know you guys have taken the event as a way to mock us, i even saw british stand-up comedians using it in jokes.
That, and things like the villanization our country by the british side of the story.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 20 '26
Comedians make jokes about everything. And you need to know the definition of tragedy. I sympathise with the families of Argentinian soldiers but it was the stupid government that caused the deaths. You canât blame the war on Britain
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u/Lord_Voryn_Daggoth Mar 20 '26
I don't blame the war on Britain, nobody does, the war was the junta's fault.
I blame the dispute on Britain.
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u/HowsThisSoHard Mar 22 '26
Thatâs fair - from Britainâs point of view itâs a small island and the people who live there deserve peace. If the actual dispute is rights to the arctic and resources in the sea around the area then just come to the table and leave the islands alone
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u/EmphasisCharming9165 Mar 21 '26
Personalmente no tengo nada en contra del ciudadano Ingles, pero sĂ contra su gobierno, la corona y el colonialismo. Siento que el Argentino tiene mucho mĂĄs en comĂșn con el IrlandĂ©s y el GalĂ©s que con el InglĂ©s clĂĄsico. Eso se debe principalmente a que fuimos vĂctimas de su colonialismo, y quizĂĄ en menor medida por la religiĂłn (Catolicismo en el caso de Irlanda) y la historia (Argentina ofreciĂł refugio a los Galeses de la opresiĂłn Inglesa)
Para ustedes quizĂĄ sean unas simples islas a miles de kilĂłmetros de sus casas, pero para el Argentino representa uno de los episodios mĂĄs oscuros y dolorosos de nuestra historia reciente, en especial para los que somos del sur del paĂs, donde embarcaban tropas conformadas por jĂłvenes a quienes mandaron a morir en una guerra que nadie querĂa salvo la dictadura que nos gobernaba.
ÂżSabes por quĂ© hay tanta gente que no tolera a los ingleses? por la sencilla razĂłn de que tu paĂs invadiĂł y saqueĂł a mas de la mitad del mundo, y esperar que olvidemos una herida que sigue abierta solo porque tenemos 2 o 3 cosas en comĂșn es indignante
El dĂa que tu gobierno devuelva lo que por derecho y lĂłgica es nuestro, ahĂ podremos hablar de amistad entre naciones. Mientras tanto, siempre habrĂĄ un gran porcentaje de Argentinos que desprecien a Inglaterra y a la puta de Thatcher
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u/ElectronicShake3533 Mar 20 '26
Argentina culture is based on England pero somos muy negros para notarlo
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u/deadmanwalking2323 Mar 20 '26
No hay comida de mierda y golpear esposas no es el deporte nacional, asi que no.
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u/Cayetanus Mar 20 '26
The thing is, historically, Argentina and the UK were great friends back when Argentina was a global economic power. If the UK wasn't the top foreign investor here, it was pretty damn close. Hell, our entire massive railway network, along with all the infrastructure that comes with it, was 100% British investment.
Even regarding the Falklands (Malvinas), Argentina used to have an excellent relationship with the islanders. They would come study here, and our country supplied them with basic services. Honestly, if history had taken a different turn, those islands would probably be peacefully under Argentine administration today.
Of course, it all went to shit. First with PerĂłn and his ultra-conservative nationalism, which drove out and scared away all British investment, and then with another brand of nationalism that was just as bad, which completely ruined everything with the War.
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u/zerogael Mar 20 '26
Potencia economica mundial!!!! Solo vias de tren que ni siquiera eran nuestras que transportarban materia prima al puerto. una centralizacion que hasta Sarmiento queria evitar
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u/Cayetanus Mar 20 '26
Si, fĂĄcilmente estĂĄbamos en el Top 10, siendo pesimista. Lo negas?
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u/zerogael Mar 20 '26
Nono no lo niego para nada, a lo que voy es que no es un modelo sostenible a largo plazo. Ya tenia sus crisis y mas con las guerras mundiales y la gran depresiĂłn decir que vino Peron maldito con sus cuernos y garras y destruyĂł la economia argentina es muy infantil. Mirar una lista de PBI es uan estupidez hace falta ver el panorama complejo
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u/Pampa_of_Argentina Mar 20 '26
True friend :) though we have things in common, youâre more organized and respectful than most people here.
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u/flansball43 Mar 20 '26
Once yall give us the damn islands, yea, we can be friends and whatever shit