Jesus does get depicted differently in different parts of the world (i.e. Ethiopia, Korea) so why would he being portrayed white cause a stir? Bad argument.
But the real reason is because Jesus is depicted in the eyes of his followers. White Jesus is European Jesus, Asia and Africa equally have regional versions that look more like them but not more like the "original" Jesus.
I don’t really care about Jesus or the casting, I’m just pointing out how it’s only when people who look a certain way get put in the spotlight that it’s a huge deal. Jesus “it’s in the eye of the beholder” but also it’s not for another character in a fictional story with gods and a cyclops? Yeah ok, you guys are just too sensitive that you can’t see an argument for its merit, it’s always gotta turn into a victim complex.
You're comparing two different things and claiming they are the same. Jesus is a central figure of Christianity, the son of God in a global religion practiced on every continent. Whilst Helen of Troy is a character from the cultural storytelling and mythology of Greece.
Your argument has no merit, and is trying to apply the same principle to different situations.
You’re saying we have to be “true” to fictional characters but can take liberties with people you assume were “real”. How is “the fake thing has to be real but the real thing can be edited” something you can say while saying someone else’s argument has no merit. Wouldn’t you want the “real”, more important person to be more accurate? I can’t believe you typed that last reply thinking it was good instead of just seeing you’re showing how ridiculous your logic is.
That's a lot of words to say you didn't understand what I said.
Jesus isn't changed because he was a real person, but because he is a symbol of a global religion, and is supposed to be the son of God, created in our image.
Helen of Troy on the other hand is a character from a cultural story and mythology rooted in Greece.
Perhaps this would be more understandable if the mythology was non-White / European, and we cast white actors in it, and called it white washing?
You keep failing to understand, and I'm not sure if this is a genuine inability to comprehend, or willful ignorance.
We're clearly going in loops now, and yet you simply can't comprehend even the most basic things I've said. Even the fact you think "Our image" is "so white" proves that you've failed to read and comprehended me, because I quite notably pointed out African and Asian Jesus, who is created to look like them rather than White or Middle Eastern Jesus.
This whole thing is over a black Helen, fucking imagine the absolute melt down if Mel Gibson had casted a black dude to play Jesus and then tell me you’re still seriously thinking this is a good point. Or don’t, that’s fine too. If you can’t let it go, I will. Since you’re not bound by good faith or logic then I’m kind of the idiot for still interacting with you if I’m being honest.
Helen of Troy on the other hand is a character from a cultural story and mythology rooted in Greece.
True, I remember reddit's outrage at "O Brother, Where Art Thou"....The Soggy Bottom Boys couldn't add one rebetiko to the setlist?? Hollywood elites and their Bluegrass-washing as always.
People like you give a shit and mention it all the time lol, even though Jesus is far more likely to have looked white than Helen of Troy is to have looked black.
Lashing out and calling people snowflakes because you got triggered doesn't give you a monopoly on calling out that behaviour my friend.
You’re the one asking to treat white washing with nuance
If you think facts are something that shouldn't be acknowledged then you are way too far gone lmao.
Jesus was a Jewish person, Jewish people still exist today my friend, and some of them look "white" and some don't.
You know who also exist today? Indigenous Greek people, and they're not in any way black like sub-Saharan Africans.
If anyone is treating "white washing with nuance" it's you and your "artistic liberty" garbage. Why is Jesus being white not "artistic liberty" despite the Bible also including gods and fantastical elements?
Lol yeah I bet dudes born 2000 years ago near Bethlehem were pale with long straight light brown hair and blue eyes. Yeah that sounds like a fact for sure.
In Greek mythology Cassiopeia, "the vain and beautiful queen of Aethiopia" is black. Her daughter, Andromeda, beautiful enough to challenge the beauty of the nymphs, is also black.
Lupita Nyong'o is a model and conventionally attractive.
You mean like how white artists have been depicting them for thousands of years despite them canonically being from the Sudan region of current day Africa?
Thats already been a thing! White people don’t make a fuss over that. It’s only when they see a non-white person getting portrayed in a role they think a white person is entitled to that it’s an issue. How quickly the moaning about accuracy stops when white people are being casted inaccurately. Nowhere near the same amount of backlash.
Because its not about accuracy. It’s about keeping things white. It’s extremely obvious. No one with a brain is going to take this whining about historical accuracy seriously when we’ve seen what you handwave away and selectively apply it to non-whites.
Maybe to some people, but I think most people want consistency and don’t like race swaps in general. Also, did you just miss the years of outrage over white people being miscast as other ethnicities?
No, we are tired of DEI. Not sure why Hollywood hasn't gotten the memo - you make politics more important than the movie, I'll just not go see the movie. Simple as.
Do you think Egypt always had the Arab demographics we see today?
There’s literally still native black Egyptians today.
Over the course of history many different races occupied Egypt. This idea it was completely monoracial is just some failure of American education system.
You do understand that the Arabs didn't displace the old Egyptians right? Their rulers converted to Islam or were conquered by Muslims. The people are the same they just speak a different language.
Of course there has always been some migration across the Sahara, but not in any large numbers, the Egyptians and the rest of northern Africa are and have always been about the same skin tone as the rest of the people around the Mediterranean.
During Egypt's 25th Dynasty. These rulers originated from the Kingdom of Kush (modern-day Sudan and southern Egypt) and brought significant Nubian culture to the Egyptian throne.
Short answer: yes , there is black people in egyptian civilisation
What does this have to do with Helen of Troy? She was the daughter of Zeus and a Spartan queen. Did Greeks interact with Egypt, and thus perhaps have a few folks looking like Lupita walking through the streets of Sparta? Maybe. But was Queen Leda of sub-Saharan African ancestry? No chance.
Personally, I don't care who Hollywood casts into movies. If they want Lupita playing Helen in the Odyssey or Jon Hamm taking lead role in the next Genghis Khan biopic, who gives a shit as far as I'm concerned. But let's not pretend either one is an accurate portrayal of what these two people would have looked like.
Even if you're not personally attracted to her you should be able to recognize that she's conventionally attractive and if that's subjective surely the casting doesn't bother you
Why would I spend money on something that I think is stupid?
Hollywood will eventually catch back up with the times, I'm looking forward to the right person getting the job instead of checking a box for diversities sake.
Then what am I trying to do? I haven’t read the Odyssey maybe her having long luscious hair is a big part of it idk. But you know my motives better than I do I guess, so I’d like to know
Lol I thought you said you didn't know what I was doing? But the thing that you don't know is bullshit? That thing being, asking if Helen's hair is important or highlighted in a book that I haven't read. Idk who you're mad at dude, but it isn't me.
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