r/AmIFreeToGo • u/Myte342 "I don't answer questions." • 23d ago

"DRUNK COP OR JUST STUPID? - First Amendment Audit " [KULT News]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDXn58fiEyg
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u/Teresa_Count 23d ago

They can't have a human conversation where they get on the same level with the person they're talking to. They have to be above everyone all the time, even when they're dead wrong.

I hope cops understand that the popularity of videos like these doesn't come strictly from hatred of law enforcement. It comes from the innate human desire to see arrogant pricks get humbled. This would all stop if cops stopped being arrogant pricks. But that will never happen.

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u/interestedby5tander 23d ago

kult news is an arrogant prick. They deserve each other.

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u/Teresa_Count 22d ago

My thing is this: there will always be ordinary people who are arrogant pricks. We can't control that.

But police are trained and employed at enormous taxpayer expense. We should be able to keep their attitudes in check and expect them to behave professionally.

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u/Mean-Pizza6915 22d ago

He's a goofy-ass middle age man who doesn't bother anyone. He's about as unoffensive as auditors get. Why do you think he's arrogant and a prick?

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u/TitoTotino 22d ago

He's a goofy-ass middle age man who doesn't bother anyone. He's about as unoffensive as auditors get. Why do you think he's arrogant and a prick?

Any comment on this footage of his drunken meltdown at a Denver hotel where he hurled racial slurs at security?

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u/NewNameNoah 22d ago

Hurled racial slurs? lol

Desperate much? If a black man is repeatedly calling me the N-word and I tell his boss, “He’s calling me the N-word!” I’d hardly claim that’s me “hurling racial slurs.” You’re not too bright, are you?

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u/TitoTotino 21d ago

Bright enough not to delete my sock accounts that fast and obviously.

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u/NewNameNoah 21d ago

I’m supposed to block you? lol. Bless your heart.

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u/TitoTotino 21d ago

Not even close to what I meant, but then again, you have a vested interest in not understanding what I meant.

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u/Mean-Pizza6915 22d ago edited 21d ago

Sure. Do you think misrepresenting "hurled racial slurs" and posting a re-edited video with cartoons and "FrAuDiToR!!1?!" language (all of a video Mike posted himself) is somehow damning, or absolves the police of what they're doing?"

Go lick boots somewhere else, you're embarrassing.

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u/OlYaybles 22d ago

He doesn’t bother anyone? Lollll

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u/Mean-Pizza6915 22d ago

He stands quietly on the sidewalk until he's approached. How is that bothering anyone?

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u/NewNameNoah 22d ago

He’s a snowflake who gets upset at public photography. There’s no use trying to reason with these people.

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u/Mean-Pizza6915 22d ago

Regular poster in /r/Frauditors too. Huge amount of cops in there, pretending not to be.

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u/interestedby5tander 22d ago

Been a long-time poster in this sub.

Plenty of people don't understand that the First Amendment does not protect all filming. Businesses and members of the public are allowed to use their free speech to counter-protest your freedom of expression. Poor little mikey doesn't like it and turns into a snowflake.

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u/Mean-Pizza6915 22d ago

Businesses and members of the public are allowed to use their free speech to counter-protest your freedom of expression.

Who said they weren't? But it's everyone's right to call out someone who insists on bringing armed agents of the state to a public sidewalk, even though no one is committing a crime.

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u/interestedby5tander 22d ago

When the DAs start charging and convicting the people holding recording devices while agitating people into a reaction, it will show that the clowns have been committing crimes all along.

At the moment, it is not an economically useful use of taxpayers' money or the courts' time. Are things starting to change, as we're seeing people charged for the unlawful use of pepper spray?

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u/interestedby5tander 22d ago

The First Amendment doesn't protect people from disorderly conduct citations. There's no point in reasoning with those people who don't understand that.

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u/Mean-Pizza6915 22d ago

Last time I checked, standing on a sidewalk videotaping isn't "disorderly conduct".

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u/interestedby5tander 22d ago

Their words and actions while holding a recording device can be disorderly conduct.

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u/NewNameNoah 22d ago

No shit, Sherlock. That would also apply if you were holding a banana.

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u/Mean-Pizza6915 22d ago

They also have to be committing disorderly conduct under the law. Holding a camera alone isn't disorderly conduct. Someone can commit any sort of crime while videotaping, that doesn't mean videotaping is the problem.

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u/OlYaybles 22d ago

Oh of course, he’s just an innocuous little bird watcher who finds himself constantly harassed! What an injustice!

Get real - the dude stands filming banks for who knows how long before somebody approaches him to ask him what he’s doing, (which is pretty reasonable since I’m not sure if you’re aware, but banks have been targeted for robbery ever since there have BEEN banks). And instead of disarming concern, which would be so easy, he instead lies and says he can’t say why he’s doing it, or that he was sent to do it, etc. he intentionally exacerbates situations for his videos.

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u/Mean-Pizza6915 22d ago

The same banks in busy downtown areas that have their ATMs out in the open with no cover or security, and who have huge glass windows? The same banks whose employees demand answers of strangers on the street, and call the police even though no crimes are being committed?

No one on the street has to give nosy businesses any answers to their questions. No one who works in a fishbowl has a right to demand that someone turn their camera a different direction.

Do you give your life story to every stranger who walks up to you on the sidewalk and demands answers?

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u/OlYaybles 22d ago

So what about it being legal? It’s legal to stand on a public sidewalk outside an elementary school, too. Notice how KULT and others don't do that and claim “I’m just filming the entrance for news."

A bank employee asking questions isn’t forcing you to speak or asking for a life story. It’s not unreasonable for cops to show up and ask questions when a business reports suspicious filming. Whether the cop had a right to threaten trespass in front of the business is obviously a debatable point but ultimately is also overblown. The cop and the bank wanted KULT specifically out of there. It's asinine to assume that same scenario would play out in ANY other circumstance in Baltimore or anywhere else.

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u/Mean-Pizza6915 22d ago

A bank employee asking questions isn’t forcing you to speak or asking for a life story.

You're right. They also don't deserve an honest answer if the person the sidewalk doesn't want to give them one.

It’s not unreasonable for cops to show up and ask questions when a business reports suspicious filming.

Now I hope you're trolling. There's no such thing as "suspicious filming", and the only people who think it's a real thing are stupid cops and stupid people being filmed. Calling the police for a non-emergency situation, where no crimes are being committed, is wrong.

Whether the cop had a right to threaten trespass in front of the business is obviously a debatable point but ultimately is also overblown.

It's not a "debatable point". The sidewalk in front of a business like that bank is a public place. Someone standing filming there isn't breaking the law.

The cop and the bank wanted KULT specifically out of there.

Too fucking bad. It's not their choice.

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u/interestedby5tander 22d ago

Have you heard of Terry v. Ohio (1968)?

How does the person holding the recording device educate anyone if they won't explain what they're doing when being asked by the person who doesn't understand what is being done?

They're certainly not providing a detailed news story.

If states can make laws to make it illegal to record in the most public of places, then filming is not an absolutely protected First Amendment right as those holding the recording devices claim. This just further undermines their claims that they are either educating or providing a news story.

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u/stale_nuts 22d ago

Nah, he just gets drunk with his wife in hotel lobbies and refuses to leave.

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u/NewNameNoah 22d ago

People drink on New Years Eve and then refuse to stand outside for 45 minutes in 20° weather? What a monster! lol

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u/stale_nuts 21d ago

We found his alt accounts

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u/TitoTotino 22d ago

Don't forget the racial slurs, gotta include the racial slurs.

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u/interestedby5tander 22d ago

No point telling you as you don’t think he bothers anyone when it is what he does.

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u/NewNameNoah 23d ago

Mom?

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u/TitoTotino 22d ago

No Mike, but as scared as you are of it, this footage might as well be your daddy.

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u/Epstiendidntkillself 23d ago

They have evolved from not hiring people that they think are too smart to actively hiring the dumbest people they can find.

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u/Myte342 "I don't answer questions." 23d ago edited 23d ago

Cop tries to claim that since he is being trespassed from the Chase Bank building, he cannot stop on the public sidewalk. He can walk past it, but can't stop. They have extended the trespassing law to include areas AROUND a property that don't belong to the building. Then later it seems they say he also can't take photos from the sidewalk now that he is trespassed from the property.

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u/distantreplay 21d ago

She uses a legal term "cutilage", but she applies it incorrectly to a public right of way. Go ahead and look up "curtilage". It's a real thing, but its relevance is to the Fourth Amendment and police searches. It has no application to citizen exercise of First amendment rights on public property.

Hard to know if this is stupidity or intentional muddying as a way to prolong the investigation to pacify the complainant. But my money would be on stupidity. She's faked her way up through the uniformed ranks without having truly mastered the codes and their applications. She remembers vaguely that curtilage pertains to areas outside of a structure but attendant to that structure (classically "fields and surrounds"). And she remembers that she has some special, albeit limited law enforcement authorities in such areas. But she did not actual retain any of the critically relevant details.

So in essence she's tossing out words like magic incantations. She belongs in a basement playing D&D.

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u/herisshipp 13d ago

guy on the left really selling it

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u/Additional_Rich_5249 22d ago

40 minutes of that? No way.

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u/NewNameNoah 22d ago

You’re missing out. This lady cop was drunk on power. Real life isn’t a sitcom and often takes more than half an hour.