AI Zen Master

[u/ewk]

Since it's so easy to drop a Zen text or even multiple Zen texts into an llm and ask questions that the llm will answer from the standpoint of the text?

* www.reddit.com/r/Zen/wiki/getstarted

Doesn't it make sense that there would be a lot less confusion and a lot more interesting conversations??

Plus, if you have an llm answer questions about the texts then who better to explain why Zazen Shinto-Buddhism and Alan Epstein Watts are not part of the tradition?

Serious question.

Where are all my AI Zen Masters at?

[u/origin_unknown]

They they they. All appeals.

For you to accuse "them" of holding knowledge in esteem without any quotes to even suggest it is not justification for blaming me for pointing out they don't, and that's why you can't find any quotes and are reduced to cursing about it.

Bullshit is an accusation.

Even Wisdom is illusory. Ask Nanquan, case #34, gateless gate.

http://home.pon.net/wildrose/gateless-34.htm

I don't appreciate the accusation that I'm the one characterizing the tradition. You're still refusing to provide a quote, making claims that may seem plausible or logical, but logic here is to go back to the original, simple request for a quote. If you can't find a quote, I can't accept your claims, I'm sorry.

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Your own historical challenge would be to find three quotes.

[u/ewk → u/origin_unknown]

You are confused about appeal to authority.

If I say that the Gettysburg address by Abraham Lincoln represents his views at Gettysburg that's not appeal to authority.

[u/origin_unknown → u/ewk]

That's just an accusation of impropriety.

And that's not what you said. Not even close, so your false equivalence doesn't fix your argument.

[u/ewk → u/origin_unknown]

Please look up the term.

You are confused.

[u/origin_unknown → u/ewk]

I'll grant that its not exactly a strong case for appeal to authority, but I'll ask that you go back and see that's not exactly what I called it.

They are none the less, assertions without support. I think calling them appeals was just a sharp term, meaning more specifically naked appeals.

This is all still sidetrack on a lack of quotes.

[u/ewk → u/origin_unknown]

One of the other things that's happening here is that and you want them to explicitly define every aspect of their culture. You don't allow any descript their culture based on what they do and what they record themselves as having done.

This is the classic problem with precept behavior. We see all of them always keeping the precepts. They don't tell people to take the precepts. But you can't understand they're teachings if you don't take into account that they're a precept culture.

Maybe try searching "lived practice"

[u/origin_unknown → u/ewk]

It's not about my expectations for zen masters defining anything at all.

More like I can remind you of zen masters like Dahui and Yantou in particular warning about objects of esteem (which is where we started) becoming nests and hindrances.

I wanted to see if you might find it, related quotes about all things esteemed. Instead, it became "my fault" for raising it.

[u/ewk → u/origin_unknown]

Illiterate zen Masters?

Zero.

So.thats esteem. On a cultural level? If not, on a philosophical level.

[u/origin_unknown → u/ewk]

I think it's funny you'd kick out Huineng just to try and win a petty argument.

You're really reaching.

[u/ewk → u/origin_unknown]

He wasn't illiterate. Nobody thinks that.

And since that's the only one you got from a thousand years of records

Sry 4 pwnimg u