r/moderatepolitics • u/awaythrowawaying • 2d ago

News Article US Justice Department sues UCLA alleging antisemitic educational environment

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-justice-department-sues-ucla-alleging-antisemitic-educational-environment-2026-05-26/
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u/justafutz 1d ago

Oh, so earlier the guide was agreeing with you, now that you've realized it proves you wrong, you've decided to say what Jews believe to Jews. That's cool.

Zionism seeks to establish a Jewish state in their homeland. That necessarily implies colonization since there were a great deal of non-Jews living there already.

It doesn't "necessarily imply" anything. That's false.

There is a difference between the desire/longing to return and the desire to establish a state. Zionism is the latter, not merely the former. The "spiritual and ideological journey, rooted in Judaism" existed before Zionism. It may have been a foundation of Zionism, but it is not in and of itself Zionism.

They're also ahistorical and misleading. Zionism is not merely the spiritual desire to return to the Jewish homeland, it is the desire to establish a Jewish state in that homeland.

It's funny how you agreed with the guide when you thought it supported your point, but now it's "ahistorical and misleading". Sure, you know better than virtually all Jews, and the Jewish People Policy Institute too. Whatever you say.

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u/SmoothAnus 1d ago

It doesn't "necessarily imply" anything. That's false.

They wanted to establish a state on land that was already inhabited.

It's funny how you agreed with the guide when you thought it supported your point, but now it's "ahistorical and misleading". Sure, you know better than virtually all Jews, and the Jewish People Policy Institute too. Whatever you say.

The guide says Zionism is the belief that "the Jewish people have rights to establish a state on their homeland"

I agree with this.

The guide then tries to hem and haw and slightly contradict itself because it doesn't want to acknowledge that definition it just gave.

Zionism is not some abstract spiritual belief about Jewish self-determination, it is specifically the belief that Jews have a right to establish a nation state on their ancestral homeland of Israel. Zionism is a political movement to establish the nation state of Israel. Denying this is ahistorical and silly.