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Episode Clevatess: Majuu no Ou to Akago to Shikabane no Yuusha • Clevatess - Episode 12 discussion

Clevatess: Majuu no Ou to Akago to Shikabane no Yuusha, episode 12

Alternative names: Clevatess -Majuu no Ou to Akago to Shikabane no Yuusha-

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u/Zeikos Sep 17 '25

In Frieren's universe Demons have the ability to speak purely to fool humans, it's the adaptation of a predator, nothing more.

Dark Beasts aren't human, they don't prey on humans.
They have their own emotions drives values etc.

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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc Sep 17 '25

Thats why I love the demons in Frieren so much
[Frieren] Especially when Lügen went all "I have no son and no idea, but this line always works"

Maybe some people should keep that in mind when using AI
Just because it can write/talk like a human doesn't mean it is

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u/Exist50 Sep 18 '25

In Frieren's universe Demons have the ability to speak purely to fool humans

Though the story itself subverts that quite a bit. Demons talk amongst themselves, and even use speech in scenarios where it clearly doesn't benefit them. Such as Lügner expressing outrage at [Frieren] Fern concealing her mana. And this was when he was already beyond saving or action.

They have their own emotions drives values etc.

They do, but that's not the same as being "mindless beasts".

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u/Zeikos Sep 18 '25

Such as Lügner expressing outrage at [Frieren] Fern concealing her mana.

Right, they aren't incapable of emotions, but they have a completely different emotional framework than humanoids.
Mana is a core part of how they organize their pseudo-society, so having somebody being deceitful about their mana for them is as disgusting as somebody deceiving others for taking advantage of them is for us.

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u/BluespadeChariot Sep 18 '25

The demons literally talk among themselves. Small talk and banter, even. 

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u/Zeikos Sep 18 '25

Right, I am not saying that they aren't intelligent and can't collaborate.
The point is that they don't have a true social structure, not how humans do.
For humans, speech is how society organizes itself, it's not just about communication, but it's about community.

Humans use speech to communicate, but they can deceive, Demons use speech to deceive but can communicate.
Speech is the tool, but the "evolutionary" underpinnings of that tool are very different, even if it seems the same.

Like, bats and birds both have wings, they work the same and have the same purpose. Humans and Demons both have speech, but its purpose is very different.