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Episode Clevatess: Majuu no Ou to Akago to Shikabane no Yuusha • Clevatess - Episode 12 discussion

Clevatess: Majuu no Ou to Akago to Shikabane no Yuusha, episode 12

Alternative names: Clevatess -Majuu no Ou to Akago to Shikabane no Yuusha-

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u/Zetafunction64 Sep 17 '25

Frieren and Clevatess on the other hand...
I'm sure if it can talk and is not a humanoid, Frieren is shooting on sight

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u/Logizmo Sep 17 '25

Idk Frieren only hates demons because they aren't actually intelligent they just act the part to more easily prey on beings with mana. They're still mindless beasts at their core in her universe.

If she met Clevatess though I like to think she'd recognize that this demon is genuinely intelligent and isn't driven by instinct and bloodlust but by it's own values and beliefs. I think she'd want to understand it and how Clev is different to her own universe's demons since she loves learning about magic so much

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u/Elegant-Anteater2721 Sep 17 '25

I don't think their "mindless" it's more they don't have the concept of empathy as they are truly separate from humanity but they can logically understand what empathy is to use it against humans

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u/Zeikos Sep 17 '25

In Frieren's universe Demons have the ability to speak purely to fool humans, it's the adaptation of a predator, nothing more.

Dark Beasts aren't human, they don't prey on humans.
They have their own emotions drives values etc.

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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc Sep 17 '25

Thats why I love the demons in Frieren so much
[Frieren] Especially when Lügen went all "I have no son and no idea, but this line always works"

Maybe some people should keep that in mind when using AI
Just because it can write/talk like a human doesn't mean it is

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u/Exist50 Sep 18 '25

In Frieren's universe Demons have the ability to speak purely to fool humans

Though the story itself subverts that quite a bit. Demons talk amongst themselves, and even use speech in scenarios where it clearly doesn't benefit them. Such as Lügner expressing outrage at [Frieren] Fern concealing her mana. And this was when he was already beyond saving or action.

They have their own emotions drives values etc.

They do, but that's not the same as being "mindless beasts".

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u/Zeikos Sep 18 '25

Such as Lügner expressing outrage at [Frieren] Fern concealing her mana.

Right, they aren't incapable of emotions, but they have a completely different emotional framework than humanoids.
Mana is a core part of how they organize their pseudo-society, so having somebody being deceitful about their mana for them is as disgusting as somebody deceiving others for taking advantage of them is for us.

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u/BluespadeChariot Sep 18 '25

The demons literally talk among themselves. Small talk and banter, even. 

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u/Zeikos Sep 18 '25

Right, I am not saying that they aren't intelligent and can't collaborate.
The point is that they don't have a true social structure, not how humans do.
For humans, speech is how society organizes itself, it's not just about communication, but it's about community.

Humans use speech to communicate, but they can deceive, Demons use speech to deceive but can communicate.
Speech is the tool, but the "evolutionary" underpinnings of that tool are very different, even if it seems the same.

Like, bats and birds both have wings, they work the same and have the same purpose. Humans and Demons both have speech, but its purpose is very different.

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u/sZeroes Sep 17 '25

we don't know that she could be a racist grandma at this point and won't entertain the thought because she is set in her ways

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u/edwardjhahm https://myanimelist.net/profile/lolmeme69 Sep 18 '25

TBF, dark beasts aren't really "demons" per se. I'm not sure if she would shoot on sight just yet.

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u/Exist50 Sep 18 '25

they aren't actually intelligent they just act the part

Well that's just not true. We see them both planning and executing fairly long-term schemes. And of course the conversation they're able to have is more than "mindless", even if it's not honest.

And that's to say nothing of the likes of Qual, inventing magic that it took humans + Frieren many years to just replicate. There's no way you can dismiss that as the work of a "mindless beast".

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u/Christopho https://myanimelist.net/profile/furrytoes Sep 17 '25

I don't think you're going to convince Frieren otherwise. She was raised on the fact that there is no such thing as a "good" demon. It doesn't matter what the demon is saying - it's a lie and words can only be used for deceit. She has 1000 years of experience reinforcing this ideology.

For her, a good demon cannot exist just as magic cannot be used without mana. For her, it's literally against the law of the universe.

I also don't see Clevatess as the type to explain his drives, values, etc. immediately upon meeting someone. It would probably have to occur mid-fight during their battle, assuming he even bothers explaining himself. So in a world where that does happen, I still don't see them being friends. If anything, both of them would just go their separate ways content with ignoring the other for the rest of their lives unless Clevatess started doing mass murders or Frieren intrudes on his territory again.

Also, I only say this is as an anime-only. I don't know how either of these 2 characters progress later into their respective stories.

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u/athrun_1 Sep 18 '25

Frieren will make Clevatess look at his back constantly to not be zoltracked. Although, this is also a win for Clevatess, given that he wanted to learn magic. And what more good opportunity to have because Alicia and Himmel will definitely get along. And that is enough to keep frieren in check.

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u/Falsus Sep 17 '25

Their party did defeat a moon wolf looking beast after all.

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u/Admiral_Nitpicker Sep 18 '25

The fate of the universe would depend on whether or not magic exists.