r/anime • u/AutoLovepon https://anilist.co/user/AutoLovepon • Sep 17 '25

Episode Clevatess: Majuu no Ou to Akago to Shikabane no Yuusha • Clevatess - Episode 12 discussion

Clevatess: Majuu no Ou to Akago to Shikabane no Yuusha, episode 12

Alternative names: Clevatess -Majuu no Ou to Akago to Shikabane no Yuusha-

Reminder: Please do not discuss plot points not yet seen or skipped in the show. Failing to follow the rules may result in a ban.

Streams

Show information

All discussions

Episode Link
1 Link
2 Link
3 Link
4 Link
5 Link
6 Link
7 Link
8 Link
9 Link
10 Link
11 Link
12 Link

This post was created by a bot. Message the mod team for feedback and comments. The original source code can be found on GitHub.

2.1k Upvotes

99% Upvoted

669 comments sorted by

View all comments

322

u/michhoffman https://anilist.co/user/michhoffman Sep 17 '25

Alicia as Klen's Servant- Yells at Klen after losing her arm/Regalia and gets him to change his mind about abandoning Luna

Drel as Vordin's Servant- Nearly completes his task but loses his Regalia from the combined might of many desperate attacks. Vordin disposes of him

Alicia was able to defeat Drel not because she was stronger than him but because her master had more faith in her.

184

u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Sep 17 '25

Alicia was able to defeat Drel not because she was stronger than him but because her master had more faith in her.

I'd say it's a bit of both;

Not that Alicia was stronger than Drel, but the reason why Clevatess had more faith in her/she had more sway on him, is because she proved to be strong/resilient and always do what needs to be done, no matter the cost to her body (losing limbs, pain and all that)!

Her entire life since Ep2 has been suffering and challenges, while Drel pretty much had it 'easy mode' from the start.

(Also, Clevatess first got a modicum of respect for her because she did what no other human came close to doing; She struck him, and chipped his horn)!

120

u/michhoffman https://anilist.co/user/michhoffman Sep 17 '25

While true, Clevatess also seemed to be more open-minded from the start. Vordin seems like the type of Beast who wouldn't have been swayed by the efforts or motivations of his servants to begin with.

91

u/JzanderN Sep 17 '25

In fairness, Vordin's plan was only ever to use Drel to destroy the legend. He was using him as a puppet but otherwise most likely stayed in his homeland. He didn't need to actually know anything about the human world himself so he never needed to listen to Drel.

Meanwhile Clevatess actually went to the human world himself and thus needed to be told how it worked. Alicia is his main source of knowledge on that front, so he's always had reason to listen to her if only for more information.

66

u/OldInstruction5368 Sep 17 '25

And in the process, this inhuman monster is slowly learning about empathy.

He was clearly touched at Luna learning to walk just to follow after Clevy-chan, tears streaming down his little face as he stumbled. Klen recognized that strength of will to keep moving forward in this tiny infant, and respected the crotch goblin for it.

He also spoke up for Nell in the throne room.

This may have started as intellectual curiosity, but Klen has long since passed the point of no return and it'll be a while before he ever admits it.

21

u/somersault_dolphin Sep 18 '25

It's not really empathy. He kind of has that from the start as I'm sure he does care about his own kind, it's just the disinterest + job getting in the way.

47

u/Ratemytinder22 Sep 17 '25 edited Sep 17 '25

I feel like klen's whole drive was out of boredom and pure, morbid curiosity. The show made his demeanor come off that way to me at least.

His "openness" seems to come more from letting events play out to learn as much as he could. The bandits are a perfect example of "yeah, I could kill everyone and do what I want, but I'd know nothing more than before"

He's invested now and has turned that corner, but the beginning was no different than humans smashing an ant hill.

6

u/somersault_dolphin Sep 18 '25

He was also bounded to his role to protect his territory from human invasion. The idea humans could be more troublesome later on because of Alicia got him to pay attention. Luna was what got his curiosity going and was intending to get his answer about humanity before he wipes them out. Now that he knows his role doesn't hold any meaning there's no need to do the whole wipe out humanity thing. What drives him instead of curiosity and precaution.

3

u/TFBuffalo_OW Sep 20 '25

It was vaguely mentioned but I think that might have to do with Clevatess being the "youngest" of the Dark Beast Lords, only being a thousand years old and unaware of history and the world while the other rulers seem to be old enough to remember the ancient humans and legends. Clevatess also doesnt have strong dark beast servants like the others which belies his relative inexperience. I wonder if clevatess' rise to power might not have been due to something happening to his predecessor through the ancient humans

153

u/good_wolf_1999 Sep 17 '25

It’s says a lot that Klen gave up on Luna/Humanity but didn’t took his magic blood back like Vordin did with Drel when he dimmed him useless

Klen will never admit it, at least not in front of her, but the fact that he had acknowledged Alicia’s strength and selflessness twice before shows that she is growing on him

84

u/Mundology Sep 17 '25

While Klen still does not see Alicia as a true equal, he does value her. On the other hand, Vordin only viewed Drel as a pawn to be discarded when it was no longer useful. It makes you wonder how much of Drel's current personality was twisted by Vordin. He did seem pretty honorable in his past life.

26

u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc Sep 17 '25

Also now he gets to see her all embarrassed in some school uniform

God I hope we get to see that tok

6

u/Shantotto11 Sep 17 '25

when he *deemed him useless

FTFY

2

u/zenithfury Sep 18 '25

If anything Vordin is an idiot. Regalias might be rare but you can still find or make another one, and have Drel try again. He sacrificed a powerful chess piece for basically nothing.

32

u/darthvall https://myanimelist.net/profile/darth_vall Sep 17 '25

Good point. There were even times where Clen hold out on giving Alicia her sword lol

26

u/Jehovacoin Sep 17 '25

That was sort of the whole dynamic between Drel and Alicia throughout the whole series though. Like Alicia was a true hero who would stand and fight in the face of a power that even she knew she couldn't defeat (fighting Clevatess on Mt. Moon). But as soon as Drel saw the power of the dark beast, he just immediately gave up. Drel was weak. Alicia was truly strong.

23

u/OldInstruction5368 Sep 17 '25

Aye. Drel gave up before he even tried. This was shown when Margo dragged him into the "impossible" fight against a Dragon that Drel wouldn't have ever had the courage to attempt. Drel only finished that fight because Margo gave him the courage.

Which is precisely why Drel gave up the moment Vordin appeared. He was always weak in spirit.

It's also why he ultimately lost to Margo in front of the King. Drel never had the drive, the strength, to push forward. He was only being pulled along by those stronger than him.

21

u/tripleaamin https://myanimelist.net/profile/tripleaamin Sep 17 '25

The fact that Vordin disposed of him just like that was wtf. I guess at that point he realized Drel couldn't complete the task and failure wasn't an option. I guess Klen obtaining the book was perhaps the worst-case scenario, and the punishment of failure was death.

At the very least, it really does set the stage for Vordin as the series major antagonist.

17

u/EdibleScissors Sep 17 '25

You could say that Alicia lent Klen… a hand.

7

u/JzanderN Sep 17 '25

Alicia was able to defeat Drel not because she was stronger than him but because her master had more faith in her.

Which says something, 'cause the only thing he really trusts her with is fighting.

I think it's more that Klen's unintentionally formed a sort of bond with Alicia. Not a very strong one, but strong enough that he did listen to her. He actually recognises her as a living being with her own viewpoint that can sometimes provide worth to him.

Whereas Vordin just used Drel like a puppet so had no interest in keeping him anymore once his use expired.

8

u/mekerpan Sep 17 '25

cause the only thing he really trusts her with is fighting.

No longer true. He listened to her about Luna, His trust in her has expanded massively.

7

u/BosuW Sep 17 '25

Gigachad Yuusha Alicia

1

u/[deleted] Sep 19 '25

More like Elevates just doesn't care if drel lives or dies. He was out to wipe humanity after all it just doesn't matter.

The difference here is drel was used like a tool, Clevatess just needed someone who could take him to human world. He doesn't care about what she does but also helps her understand her worth she can't see.

Fighting drel was Alicia's choice or duty as a hero not because Clevatess asked her to.