r/TwoHotTakes Feb 04 '26

Advice Needed MIL invited people we don’t know to our wedding. She won’t uninvite them because that’s ‘embarrassing.’

Sorry for the length but I wanted to make sure people have enough information. My fiancé and I (M/F, both mid-20s) got engaged January 2025 and plan of getting married Spring 2026. Very soon. Wedding planning has been a nightmare. It seems like everyone has an expectation for how the wedding/wedding planning is supposed to be. For context, I am paying for 75% of the wedding and the parents are covering the remaining 25%. Although they like to act they’re paying for everything. I was able to call out my parents for their behavior and draw boundaries. But with his parents, particularly MIL, they have been very… difficult. Even the small stuff.

Some examples:

- Fiancé and I toured venues alone. His parents were very upset they didn’t get to see the venue beforehand. Like really upset. I ended scheduling a second tour so both our parents can see it. Simple fix.

- I mentioned how I wanted to do wax seals on our invites and had already bought the supplies. But MIL was adamant I use different supplies and do the seals how she liked them.

- I talked about the tentative timeline. The wedding will run from 3:30-9:30pm. Everyone has to be off the property by 10pm because of noise ordinances (it’s outdoors). MIL was disappointed. Apparently 6 hours was just not enough time.

- MIL bought my fiancé lotion, body wash, and a candle from bath and body works. It’s part of a wedding collection they had. She requires my fiancé use the products the day of the wedding. “It will be a moment” she said.

- The biggest fight so far: the church. We were both raised Catholic and chose not to get married in the church. My family doesn’t care. Lots of us have moved away from the faith anyways. His family? Tears. Pleading. Begging. “Please pray about it. God will still love you but wouldn’t it be great to have God’s blessing.” My brother, who is a Pentecostal pastor, will be officiating.

Now onto the guest list. We both come from large families. That would put us at a guest list of 100 people for just the core group (parents, siblings, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins). Add in friends and selective plus ones, we’d get to around 150 people. That’s plenty of people. My parents asked if they could invite some of their friends. Nope. Not happening. We are full. They were a little mad but didn’t push the subject further. But then there’s his parents.

Unbeknownst to my fiancé or me, MIL forwarded our save the date to several members of her extended family that we do not know. We only found out this past November. She asked to see the guest list during Thanksgiving to “make sure everyone that needs to be invited is invited.” Immediate red flag. We told her who was invited and then she began listing names we never heard of. We were confused and said they’re not invited. She’s visibly upset and starts arguing with fiancé. Says that these are the most important people to her and she already invited them. He tells her it’s not her place to invite people to our wedding. I stay out of it but my face speaks for me. They go back and forth for a while but it got nowhere. I signal to my fiancé to let it go and we can talk about it later. We left the conversation telling MIL we’ll talk about it after Thanksgiving.

Well we never talked about it. Fiancé tried to make a game plan with his dad thinking if he can be on our side it would make talking to his mom much easier. But they are both non-confrontational and wanted to ignore the entire situation. I guess MIL was crying to FIL about the guest list for a while. It was eating her alive. FIL got annoyed and fed up, texted fiancé to invite the additional people. Fiancé said no but they won’t let it go. I let fiancé know, he should continue to handle it since it’s his parents. But the second his parents involve me, I’ll handle it. He doesn’t want that to happen.

Three days ago, it happened. She involved me. MIL texted fiancé and me in a group chat. Starts off strong. “I have thought about the people in my life that really matter to me that I would like to be invited to your wedding.” To put it short, she pulls the dead parents card (dad passed when she was 11 and mom when she was in her mid-20s) and talks about how these people are parts of her parents. Claims they’ve been at every big family event. I haven’t met these people in the past 7 years we’ve been together and my fiancé says he’s only met them a couple of times. She even said not everyone invited is going to make it so there should be room to invite additional people. She’s already invited them and they’re so excited. She even sent them the hotel block information (7-8 weeks after we initially told her they weren’t invited). It would be really embarrassing for her to uninvite them after all of that. She’s ‘praying’ we allow them at our wedding. His parents did offer to cover the additional costs. We since haven’t responded.

Here’s my perspective. It’s not about money. It’s about respect. We’ve spent months now telling his parents how it’s going to be but they won’t respect what we say. They worry more about how they feel. MIL is upset the wedding isn’t how she pictured and FIL just wants her to be quiet. I empathize with MIL’s situation and losing her parents all those years ago. I lost my mom 4 years ago and then my brother less than 2 years later. It sucks that there are people who can’t be there and it’s out of our control. But that doesn’t mean she can require certain people be invited. She might be the mother of the groom but she is a GUEST. Guests can’t control how the wedding will be. She’s already crossed so many boundaries and it’s not my responsibility to fix the mistakes she made.

I told my fiancé, since it’s his family, he makes the decision and I will support him. He said he wants to give in just to make it all stop, but that sets the wrong precedent. He doesn’t want these people there. He’s not close enough with them and if they were really that important they would’ve been around more. He also doesn’t want to start a marriage by ignoring my feelings and just doing what his mom says. He’s torn and hurting. I’ve offered to be the one to respond as I promised so that I can take the heat. But he doesn’t want to ruin the little chance I have at building a relationship with his mom.

With that, how would you respond? We agreed any response needs to be in writing since most of our conversations have been verbal and misconstrued. Having it in writing makes it clearer.

Should I mention that second venue tour I scheduled with the parents is in three days?

Thanks in advance for whatever advice you can give.

Edit: some people commented that my fiancé clearly told me he wants to invite them and I didn’t support his decision. So I asked him to clarify his position to make sure I didn’t misunderstand him. He said “she can go fuck herself.” Crass but gets the point across. Asked him what he meant when he previously mentioned just giving in to her request and he said instinctually he just wants to give in. That’s how he was raised. But realistically, he thinks it’s unfair of her to put us in this position and she shouldn’t get her way. She’s manipulated him in the past and he wants to end the cycle.

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u/Irishtemper98 Feb 04 '26 edited Feb 04 '26

I don't understand why brides allow anyone to dictate their wedding choices.

For the love of Zeus, learn to say the word "NO" and mean it.

Use the wax seal if you want it. Tell her she will uninvite her unapproved guests or they will be turned away at the door by the security you are hiring. And then do just that.

You're getting married, so presumably you are adults. Start acting like it.

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u/floss147 Spicy Spreadsheets Feb 04 '26

That sounds like a great plan.

Tell her that you’ve said no, OP and you will be hiring security to ensure no one not invited crashes. There will be no food, no seat or place for them. No. End of. If she creates a scene, then she can leave too.

Be firm. Be strong.

Don’t set the precedent that she can whine and moan to get her own way - because it will never end. Children? She’ll want to name them. She’ll want to decide their baptism etc. It. Will. Never. End.

Never give in to keep the peace

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u/Guilty_Objective4602 Feb 04 '26

She will absolutely be the grandparent trying to sneak the grandchildren into a Catholic church to be baptized against the parents’ will.

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u/lighthouser41 Feb 05 '26

And insist on being in the delivery room.

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u/Foreign_News_9064 Feb 05 '26

There’s not a priest in the Catholic Church who would secretly baptize a child without the parents permission, this old ridiculous story needs to end. Now she herself can certainly sprinkle some holy water on their heads and tell herself what she wants, but that isn’t baptism. 😆

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u/Winnie1916 Feb 05 '26

MIL can badger, but she can’t sneak the child in. Parental consent is required.

Now could she do an Archie Bunker is another question.

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u/LuckyPepper22 Feb 04 '26

She will insist on being in the delivery room!

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u/ThinTransportation15 Feb 04 '26

She will take the scissors from your fiance's hand to cut the cord.

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u/Professional-Hawk709 Feb 05 '26

She told the staff not to cut the cord at fiance's birth. They said no. It was in that moment she vowed to never take no for an answer ever again

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u/LuckyPepper22 Feb 05 '26

She’ll refer to their baby as her baby.

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u/DokCrimson Feb 04 '26

100%
She did this to her own husband forever and he always given in and made this monster... Dad failed big time

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u/ElectricalFocus560 Feb 05 '26

This is the same philosophy I took with raising my daughter. I told her no the first time and maybe the second. Then she knew my no meant no. I watched other parents who gave into their children the first few times and then it takes 100 times of saying no for them to realize NOW you mean it.

Enforcing your boundaries and your limits from the beginning, saves time and pain and frustration for years to come. I’m sorry you’re MIL is acting like a two-year-old.

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u/handsheal Feb 04 '26

And STOP talking to her at all when. She brings up the topic. Don't even entertain the discussion.

Hang up

Walk away to another location

Leave all together and end the visit

Stop letting her think it is a conversation

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u/Wattaday Feb 05 '26

And she’ll insist that she’s to be allowed in your labor/delivery room to “watch HER grandchild be born”. Meaning jer be up close and personal with your babies head being pushed out. That gets an “OH HELL NO”unless having her face between your knees watching you push your baby come out is something you want.

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u/ElectricalFocus560 Feb 09 '26

This is the same philosophy I took with raising my daughter. I told her no the first time and maybe the second. Then she knew my no meant no. I watched other parents who gave into their children the first few times and then it takes 100 times of saying no for them to realize NOW you mean it.

Enforcing your boundaries and your limits from the beginning, saves time and pain and frustration for years to come

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u/uhhvince Feb 04 '26

Off topic but this is the first time ive seen someone use “For the love of Zeus” unironically 😇(I read percy jackson once)

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u/Friendly-Channel-480 Feb 04 '26

Pagans still live.

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u/Neither_Geologist_51 Feb 04 '26

Agreed! I would have laughed out loud, to her face about the seals...

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u/Money_Doughnut_7375 Feb 04 '26

The problem is they don’t understand the meaning of no. It’s not in their dictionary. We’ve said it multiple times but it just doesn’t click.

Wax seals? Yeah I appeased her for the time and then went home and made the invites how I wanted them. The candle lotion stuff? We’ve already burnt the candle. Nice scent. We’ll just happen to forget the other things at home the day of the wedding. Oops. The church/venue issues? Well I already paid the venue so can’t change it now.

The guest list thing is just something less out of our control in terms of how the response will be. I don’t have the contact information of the people she invited so it’s not like I can tell them myself. What if these people show up even after confirming several times they weren’t invited? Then it turns into this huge dramatic moment that was avoidable if his parents knew what ‘no’ meant. We just want to avoid a massive family blow up at the wedding.

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u/Normal-Reward7257 Feb 04 '26

Dear MIL and FIL,

This is the last time we discuss this topic. We will not be inviting your additional guests. Further attempts to discuss the guest list will result in a conversation about the level of your involvement at both the wedding and within our lives moving forward. Please make sure your family and friends are aware they will not be permitted into the venue.

Thanks,

OP's fiance and OP

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u/MutantArtCat Feb 04 '26

43 and my parents are incapable of accepting no. It will not get better, never. They will make your life difficult as long as you do not comply, from nagging to trying to sabotage you or turning others against you, all tricks will be used. Do yourself a favour, stop it now. It may blow up and husband might be hurt and you might never hear from them again (but in my experience they are the ones that can't handle never talking to you again), but the longer it keeps dragging on, the shittier it will become and hurt even more in the end when you realise they crossed all boundaries and there are no fucks left to give. At this point my only care is the canary they have if something would happen to them.

Set the boundary now and maybe you can salvage the future relationship. I wouldn't wish on anyone how conflicted, confused, nauseous, hurt... I feel over what our relationship has become.

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u/MDWL0202 Feb 05 '26

Take your own advice! It’s not too late to change your relationship with your parents!

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u/MutantArtCat Feb 05 '26

Doing that atm (vlc, almost nc), not gonna give in, but the emotional storm is something else.

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein Feb 04 '26

But they will understand „… or they will be turned away by security. And if you make a scene, so will you.

This is our wedding and we will not be bullied into making it what you think it should be. There will be no more discussions about this.“

Then ignore or grey rock.

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u/Irishtemper98 Feb 04 '26

Hire security and send out to your invited guests entry cards (do not include her because she will pass one along to her uninvited guests). If the guest does not have one, they do not get in. Period. Either hire security or ask the venue or wedding planner to oversee entry. Do not order food or tables and chairs for them because they are not invited guests. Do not accommodate this power play in any way.

Stop appeasing or coddling her by agreeing then using the wax seal or pretending to forget the cologne at home. You are sending mixed signals.

Simply say, "I'm sorry you don't like the look of the wax seal, but I love that esthetic, and I'm going to use them."

If she continues badgering, tell her, "The topic is not up for a vote or debate. Stop now, or I will walk away/hang up." Then follow through.

Your fiance should be saying "thanks mom. I'll use this for our rehearsal dinner, but I'm wearing OPs favorite cologne on our wedding day." If she tries to push look her in the eye and calmly but firmly tell her, "this isn't up for vote or debate. Stop now, or I walk away/hang up." Then follow through should she continue.

Learn to shut people down without playing games. There's simply no need for the games when you are confident in your decisions and refuse to be badgered.

I would absolutely be putting her on an info diet as well. Do not share every detail with her. All she needs to know is where it is and when to be there. Beyond that, shop sharing details with her.

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u/SoCentralRainImSorry Feb 04 '26

Have they gotten actual wedding invitations, or just Save the Date cards? If the actual invitations haven’t gone out, you can take total control of those, and people who haven’t RSVP’d aren’t allowed in. And be sure to tell her that only people who are on YOUR guest list are getting in. Period.

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u/theproperlexicon Feb 04 '26

It sounds like MIL just got herself uninvited.

Tell your fiancée he puts on his big boy pants and stands up to him mom or YOU do it and she comes off the guest list.

Document everything. When people inevitably start messaging you about how you’re “overreacting” just send screenshots.

If people didn’t want us to speak ill of them, they would behave better.

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u/WeirdIsAlliGot Feb 04 '26

Yeah, I see OP having a miserable future of no one correcting MIL’s behaviour and she’ll be the one to fend for herself. It will affect their marriage. If she doesn’t start putting her foot down now, it’s going to get far worse down the road.

Source: myself

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u/sarahjp21 Feb 04 '26

They know what no means. They just don’t care. They’ve learned they can get their way with histrionics and tears, and they count on others’ politeness/fear of making things awkward when they do things they’ve already been told “no” about.

As people here have mentioned, if you give in now, you’re in for a lifetime of escalating unacceptable behavior from them.

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u/ArtPuzzleheaded5821 Feb 04 '26

You're in for it anyway, in my experience with my own mother. You CANNOT win with a person who positions themselves at the very center of the known universe and views you as an obligatory satellite, like they view everyone else in the said universe. :(

If you cannot win, then you should feel free to DO WHAT YOU WANT at your own wedding. :)

Thankful that my MIL is a genuinely delightful and good human in contrast to my egg donor.

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u/pancakeg Feb 04 '26

Are you sending out paper invitations? If so, just don’t send them one. You won’t receive an RSVP back from them. Obviously they may still get the wedding details from MIL but I cannot imagine going to a wedding I didn’t get an actual invitation for.

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u/Money_Doughnut_7375 Feb 04 '26

I already sent out paper invites. Obviously these people will not receive one. We have an online RSVP on our wedding website and they won’t be able to because their names don’t show up on the guest list. But people are unpredictable. I hope common sense would tell them they’re not invited based on the fact they didn’t receive an invite but I fear MIL’s persistency might give them the wrong impression.

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u/Redd1tmadesignup Feb 04 '26

Just in case they get on there, can you put a header on the website? “It’s come to our attention that people have been invited without our knowledge. As much as we would love to accommodate every family member we cannot extend invites at this time. If you have not received an invite from me or fiancé please be advised there won’t be a space for you.”

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u/RefrigeratorNo686 Feb 05 '26

I would go further and contact the extended family and explain to them that MIL overstepped with extending an invite to an event they are not invited to. Gently let them know you're not able to accommodate them. My guess is they are more understanding than MIL.

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u/Momela85 Feb 04 '26

I would not be surprised if MIL has sent a pic or photocopy of the invitation. Your fiancé really needs to be present and have her call these people, if they do indeed think they are invited. As someone said above, be calm but firm, and don’t back down. As far as this hurting or affecting a future relationship with MIL, I think that ship has sailed.

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u/Competitive-Metal773 Feb 05 '26

This. I saw a reddit post about a MIL who made her own invitations to send out. The couple didn't know until they started getting random RSVPs from people they didn't know.

Given how she has already tried to bully OP into doing the invitations to HER vision, I can absolutely see this MIL pulling something similar.

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u/m2cwf Feb 04 '26

But people are unpredictable. I hope common sense would tell them they’re not invited based on the fact they didn’t receive an invite but I fear MIL’s persistency might give them the wrong impression.

Are these family members on social media at all? If so you could make a post saying that it has come to your attention that some people were sent save-the-dates for your wedding by someone other than you, and that anyone who did not receive a formal invitation directly from you sent on or around XXX date will unfortunately not be able to be accommodated. Maybe even tag MIL & FIL so that the people in question have more of a chance at seeing it in their timelines? If you're feeling gracious maybe tag your dad too, just to give the impression that you're not singling her out. But if your parents' friends ask what that's all about, give him full permission to tell them the real scoop!

Ugh she's utterly exhausting. Big hugs to you, because her antics are unlikely to ever get any better until your fiancé is able to put up some boundaries with solid consequences regarding what he & you will & won't tolerate from her. Talking things through with a couples counselor before or after the wedding might help him build some of the tools he'll/you'll need for that

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u/ImaginaryAnts Feb 04 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

power delete ..........

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u/_delicja_ Feb 04 '26

They understand the word no very well, they just plan to ignore it, steamroll you and wear you out until you give in. If you give in this time, you're screwed big time. They will be relentless in the future.

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u/handsheal Feb 04 '26

OP has given in about a bunch of smaller things already so MIL has no reason to think this will be any different

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u/KermitTheMawg Feb 04 '26

They understand no, they’re pretending not to because she’s spoiled and he’s an enabler. Tale as old as time homegirl

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u/Select-Efficiency559 Feb 04 '26

You're doing the right things. You were right to ignore her wax seal instructions, to use the candle now, and everything else. If your fiance backs you on the wedding, and preferably if he tells his parents himself, then start making plans for the future. She doesn't get a key to your house, not for any reason, not even for emergencies. She doesn't get a say in where you live, how you decorate, what your jobs are, nothing. If you have children, you won't tell her when you go into labor, and you'll alert the hospital staff that she doesn't get to go into the room. She won't get pictures of your children unless she agrees to not post them to social media. She only gets to see your children when one of you is there, and if she trash-talks you to them in any way, or breaks any rules you set, the child will be immediately removed. She won't find out the location of any future events until the day before. Whenever she starts to blame or guilt you, you will hang up or leave. Your fiance needs to agree. Otherwise, if you give in after, say, the 20th discussion, she'll learn that she has to press 20 times and will do it every time on every issue.

If she tries to get other people on her side, you need to tell them that you will not discuss anything, and if they want to continue a relationship with you then they need to drop it. Be prepared to block. Look up "flying monkeys."

Read about other people's MIL problems so you can anticipate what she'll do.

Frankly, if there's a way you can find jobs and a home in another state, not within driving distance, you should strongly consider taking it.

I'm sorry, this is going to suck.

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u/Money_Doughnut_7375 Feb 05 '26

Thanks. We’ve had a lot of conversations about the future and how we’re going to navigate certain hypothetical situations. Currently we live 2 hours away from our families. Not too far, but far enough to make visiting less convenient. He still wants to be near his grandparents so going out of state at this moment isn’t in the cards. But regarding kids? We’ve had a lot of discussions about that. As much as we want kids, we know there’s probably going to be familial drama that comes with it. Can’t escape it. MIL has already requested she see her grandkids every holiday every year, and they don’t even exist! Only time will tell how the future plays out. The best we can do is try to plan ahead and hope it works out.

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u/m2cwf Feb 05 '26

MIL has already requested she see her grandkids every holiday every year, and they don’t even exist!

Holy cow, she's delusional. To even think that request much less say it out loud is beyond selfish and disrespectful. As if your family doesn't even exist? As if you and your husband will never want to go on a trip or have a quiet holiday at home with just you guys and your kids?

Hell no, she gets every second or third year like a normal grandparent and she'll not say a single word in complaint or guilt tripping, or it will be even less often and NEVER on the actual holiday. Tell her that once, and then stick to it forever

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u/CapnRaye Feb 04 '26

If they show up to the wedding without confirming they were invited, they can get shown the door.

This is why you really need security of some kind to enforce the guest list.

I would also make it very loud, very apparent that they were NOT on the guest list and MIL lied about it. She will flip her shit about how you 'emberssed her in front of all those people.'

No you didn't. She did by refusing to listen and be reasonable.

"We told you they were not invited, not our fault you didn't relay that and emberssed yourself."

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u/Adorable_Strength319 Feb 04 '26

You are going to have to sleuth that contact information if MIL won't give it to you. Surely she's been complaining to some other family member about who she invited and why they should be allowed to come. In another comment I laid out my suggested scripts. You'll have to take this into your own hands.

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u/Significant-Owl-2980 Feb 04 '26

They do understand the word no. They are choosing to ignore it because they never had anyone follow through. Your FIL and fiancé give in every time to the MIL. She is a brat and everyone is enabling her terrible behavior

You have to say no and mean it. Follow through with it. Consistency is key.

Do not send out invites to her guests.

Please know your MIL will continue to this with your entire marriage and to your future kids.

As a married couple you have to have a strong United message you both stand behind. Or she will destroy your marriage.

Your husband needs to choose you and him over his mother’s selfishness.

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u/DokCrimson Feb 04 '26

You need to confront them directly and don't entertain her hissyfits. Tell her to act like an adult and when she's ready, you can talk about it

You'll probably actually need to hire security.. Or, if when they show up, you'll have to confront them directly about it... Or, I guess deal with it in the moment, and then you'll have to figure out somehow to make it crystal clear that you are pissed with the fury of 10 suns at her for pulling that stunt and it won't happen again if she hopes to have any sort of relationship with future children...

Your future children are actually your biggest bargaining chip unfortunately when it comes to abusive parents that won't take no.

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u/Existing-Zucchini-65 Feb 04 '26

I get the feeling you just didn't do a very convincing job of saying no.

 ''I signal to my fiancé to let it go and we can talk about it later'', but that moment right there should have been an unequivocal no.

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u/Money_Doughnut_7375 Feb 04 '26

In that moment, she wasn’t someone who could be reasoned with. Nor did I think she was actually listening to what was being said. So yes I wanted him to drop it before it got worse. It also allowed us time to process what happened because we were both in shock. The issue was there was no follow up which I recognize should’ve happened sooner.

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u/Existing-Zucchini-65 Feb 05 '26

Well, yeah, I still get the feeling you haven't done a good job of saying no.

You were trying to reason with her? What for? Just tell her no.

Tell her those people are not invited, and that's the end of it.

Good luck.

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u/Irishtemper98 Feb 05 '26

Do not negotiate with terrorists.

You're never going to be able to reason with someone like this. Please don't even waste time trying.

She has been allowed to behave this way for a very long time. She is very much aware that if she badgers you to death or just does what she wants, whether you like it or not, she will get her way.

She is self-centered and does not actually care about her family's happiness, just her own.

Don't attempt to reason with her. Tell her no and give her the consequence for going against your wishes and then follow through.

Consistency is absolutely key here. She is like a naughty child tantruming to get her way. Treat her as such.

You must be willing and able to create consequences for bad behavior and actually follow through.

Timeouts are one way. Explain to her that for the next 30 days, you are taking a break from her shenanigans. Literally tell her that her behavior is a source of stress and that you no longer want or have to subject yourself to it and you are taking a break.

Block her everywhere for 30 days. If she shows up, refuse to answer the door. If she causes a scene, call the police.

If she sends out her flying monkey's, mute them.

There are others ways, as well. Do some research and find ways you are comfortable with and stay strong.

With a MIL like this and a young husband who has been taught to cater to her, you are in for a hard life if you don't stop it now as it's beginning.

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u/CantaloupeShort7311 Feb 05 '26

She is never going to be someone you can reason with.

Is this really the life you want to live? You are in for a world of suck if you think she stops meddling after the wedding.

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u/tatasz Feb 04 '26

It's simple. Enforce no with boundaries. Do not sneak.

"Thank you but no, we will not be using this. I will not take it. If it appears in my stuff, I will return it to your home".

Same for the guests. "No, those people are not invited. The security will turn them away if they show up". And follow up with actions. No dramatic moment, security will kick them out long before they interact. And if MIL makes any drama just kick her out too. In fact, you can even uninvite her if she is being a problem.

They don't understand no because you do not say it.

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u/handsheal Feb 04 '26

They don't know NO because you don't say it

Every time you just take something or do what she wants to keep the peace you give her more reasons to believe her actions are welcomed.

You have taught her that she can just do what she wants and you will accept it and move on

Why would she act any different about the guests?

Wax seals -- No I will be using the vision I had for MY invitations-- if anymore comments made, then you should have picked up and left and ensured she got an invitation the way you wanted them done.

Lotions/perfumes- Eeewww. We really don't want our parents part of our wedding night activities and preparation. Please never again give us anything related to our sex lives. -- then leave the items at her house and continue to return them to her. Gift them back at Christmas and birthdays if necessary.

Venue - well MIL you will see the venue at the wedding. Then refuse to discuss the topic again. Walk away, hang up/block or leave.

Her behaviors are horrible but she is not going to change so you need to take a very different approach or you are going to be miserable married to her child, especially if you add another child to the mix.

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u/SimilarMeeting8131 Feb 05 '26

It doesn’t matter if they understand the no or not.

What matters you understand what you decided and will be acting accordingly.

Neither of you are children, why are you appeasing and protecting her feelings over YOUR wedding invitations’ seal?

Literally just say no, I like it this way and end it there. Why are you trying to find excuses as to why your fiancé (a man old enough to be getting b married) didn’t wear the body products he isn’t want?

Both you and your fiancée have been reinforcing her behavior, treating like a toddler, except even most toddlers aren’t coddle to this extent and regularly get told no.

Your FIL ofc takes the crown for treating his grown wife like she has the maturity of a toddler and it’s normal.

And now look at where your indulgence has got you.

“I like this one better” is all you and your fiancé needed to not end up in this situation.

Unsolicited advice: do not have kids until both you and your fiancé have grown enough spines to at least not have someone else think they can decide what body wash you should use.

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u/Dntkillthemessager1 Feb 05 '26

Elope without in-laws present. And then have the reception the day you already planned.

Dang. Your future in-laws sounds like my parents. Mom will never stop until she gets her way. Dad just gives in because it’s easier. My husband almost left me because my mom wanted to control everything in our lives. I had to put my mom at arms length. She cried and bi*ch to my sister and dad. Now, I’m no contact with mom and sister. (Dad passed away.) Life is so much easier and my husband and I have been married for over 20 years with 2 beautiful kids. That’s my priority; the family I created. Focus on that and do your own thing because you and your fiancé are will be a family.

Oh, you don’t like that? Well, too bad so sad, you’re extended family now, and we aren’t you but thanks for the suggestion. WALK AWAY IF SHE CONTINUES. It’s a hard boundary that must be enforced. It will be hard on your man, but he needs to man up , be the husband you need him to be, and stop being a mama’s boy.

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u/LolaDeWinter Feb 05 '26

Using a lotion/soap for the first time on the occasion of an important event....AND YOU FIND OUT YOU ARE ALLERGIC...get to fuck with that shit!

All good advice here, essentially tell her NO, send it in writing on the group chat, NO extra guests, security WILL remove anyone not on YOUR list so if she wants embarrassment, try explaining to people SHE invited when they are turned away at the door... AWKWARD (for her)

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u/harmlessgrey Feb 06 '26

Keep repeating the same sentence to them, in exactly the same words, over and over.

"This is our wedding, not yours. We make the decisions. Those people are not invited."

Say it over and over and over, no matter what she says in response. Just endlessly repeat the same phrase. Refuse to engage further. No compromise. Stop sharing details with them. Go low contact.

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u/TallowWallow Feb 04 '26

If they can't listen, tell them the venue is elsewhere.

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u/CantaloupeShort7311 Feb 05 '26

Then stop telling them anything.

They are on a strict diet of info.

And maybe ci sider eloping, or maybe not getting married at all, because MIL is going to run your life from here on out since it is clear neither you nor your fiance will ever actually stand your ground and tell her no.

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u/Lightness_Being Feb 06 '26

That's what the bouncers ahem ushers are for.

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u/hbekk92 Feb 07 '26

I'd tell her and his dad that because she can't respect that this is not her wedding, you will be hiring security (even if you bluff it at first) and IF any of the people she invited show up she will be escorted from the premise along with them. So if she'd like to be present to see her son get married, it's in her best interest to tell those people who were not actually invited not to come, embarrassed or not. If she doesn't back down immediately, hire security and follow through.

It sounds like unless you're willing to roll over and give her what she wants for forever, she's never going to like you anyways, may as well do it with boundaries and consequences in place. You can't avoid a blowup if she's determined to cause one, best you can do is contain the damage.

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u/Linori123 Feb 08 '26

You've allowed her these victories by silently giving in, even if you then did your own thing. You allowed her to have the idea she won. That's going to make her so much worse.

Learn to say no. You say she doesn't understand the meaning, but you also haven't enforced it. You have said no, but your actions showed yeah, okay, whatever.

Why have a tour of venues when you have one? Why walk away when the conversation isn't done? Why accept a gift under a specific understanding when you aren't going to do it? Make it explicit, set your boundaries, watch her blow up and guilt trip you and then enforce them even more.

Because boundaries aren't about their behavior, it's about how you behave when they are crossed. Yours are being crossed constantly and you are doing nothing about it.

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u/devdarrr Feb 04 '26

I will say, as a new bride myself, I understand how this kind of thing snowballs. In my day to day, I’m a very outspoken person. Love a good boundary. Love sticking up for myself and my loved ones. That said, as soon as we got engaged and all these expectations started coming out of the woodwork from our families…it’s really hard to say no to some things. You are juggling your loved ones feelings with your own. You love your fam, so you don’t want to bum them out. It’s harder than I thought it’d be, that’s for sure.

My fiancés family is super old fashioned and also like the biggest family on the planet. Deciding the guest list has been the hardest part. They feel everyone in the family should come as well as all their friends. My future FIL, was even like “why would you choose a venue that can’t fit everybody!?” Like brother, I’m not interested in spending $30k on a wedding just so 100 people I’ve never met can attend. Luckily they conceded to us pretty easily, but I get it! It’s hard when feelings get involved. And I’ve found the older generations really have no grasp about the cost of weddings these days.

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u/Money_Doughnut_7375 Feb 04 '26

Yeah we tried to have the ‘expectations’ conversation early to make sure everyone was on the same page about how we were going about it. Talked guest list too. Everyone seemed to be agreeable. I mean how can you argue with saving money? But now they’re not getting their way, they forget that conversation ever happened. People get really weird about weddings and it’s fascinating but also exhausting.

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u/Ok_Sandwich_5592 Feb 09 '26

I just picked one of your comments at random to respond to, but I just wanted to say that I appreciate how engaged you've been with this entire thread. I hope you have the day you've always dreamed of! If you think of it, after the fact, I hope you'll update us all how it went! Peace, Joy & Blessings!

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u/zeiaxar Feb 04 '26

Honestly, most of the time it's either because the people are either pushover people pleasers, or because the people making demands are the ones funding the wedding and are threatening to pull funding if they don't cave on things like the guest list.

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u/Irishtemper98 Feb 04 '26

You're not wrong, but damn!

I've been married for many years but I can promise you I would have happily covered the full expense of my wedding or eloped with a few friends had my parents tried controlling any aspect of my wedding.

Imo, having my wedding paid for in full or partially is not a good enough incentive for me to give up my autonomy. The cost is just too high and sets a precedent that I can be bought.

That's just not a trick bag I'm going to willingly walk into.

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u/synaesthezia Feb 04 '26

And omg 6 hours is more than enough to spend at any wedding. Honestly no one wants to be there longer than that. Tbh I miss the days of 4 hour receptions.

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u/alien_overlord_1001 Feb 04 '26

OP has a fiancé problem. She is his smother - he should be running point here but he’s not. His answer is to give in. He is also the problem here.

It’s not a typo. lol.

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u/Irishtemper98 Feb 04 '26

Agreed. But this has very likely been a lifelong pattern of hers, and dads answer was to appease her so she'll shut up. Ops fiance needs to grow a spine and stop the dysfunctional pattern immediately.

I used to jokingly refer to my mil that way.

She was lovely, and he is a mama's boy (in the very best, kindest sense of the word.) He adored his mom with good reason, but he's also his own man and shut her down very quickly when she overstepped. Honestly, he only had to have one conversation with her about overstepping in the early days, and she never overstepped again. She was the best.

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u/infinityonhigh69 Feb 04 '26

yeah i’m not the kind of person this would ever work on because people in my life know me enough to know that when i say no it means it. yall (not you, commenter or even OP but the general yall) HAVE to teach people that when you say no you mean it!!

i’ve been a freak all of my life so it’s nothing for me to do my own thing despite other ppls insistence & i try to extend grace. but at a certain point everyone HAS to learn that you are the only person who will advocate for YOU.

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u/fiestafan73 Feb 04 '26

I honestly don't understand why anyone puts themselves through this headache at all. The moment MIL started dictating, they should have told her it is not her wedding and refunded her money. That or just eloped.

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u/ghostwritercarole Feb 05 '26

Also tell her you are uncomfortable visiting the venue with her. It is highly unlikely she will keep her opinion to herself and not cause drama.

Set boundaries for everything moving forward. This is your life and marriage and a meddling mother in law is awful to have.

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u/alien_overlord_1001 Feb 05 '26

It's more concerning the fiancé just wants to go along with whatever his mom says. She can say no, but if he then counters her with a yes, MIL will do what she wants. They need to be a team if they are going to end her meddling.

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u/Helianthus_999 Feb 04 '26

A lot of people are real non-confrontational. Or don't want to be perceived as a bridezilla.

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u/Irishtemper98 Feb 04 '26

I get that, but Bridezillas dictate the diets and hair color/cuts of their attendants. They demand extravagant showers at the expense of their attendants' pocketbooks. They demand the time, attention, and resources of their attendants for long months that they are in no way entitled to.

This is not that.

This is a couple who is trying to cover the largest part of their expenses by controlling their guest list to just those people who are active and supportive in their life.

MIL does not get to invite whomever she wants to someone else's wedding. Her son is adult enough for marriage, so he is certainly adult enough to know how to plan for his wedding without her unsolicited opinions or preferences.

She needs to be shut down immediately, or she will be making decisions for them for the rest of their married life.

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u/Helianthus_999 Feb 04 '26

I completely agree with you. I'm pro boundary and pro confrontation. My mom tried to invite random people to my wedding so I empathize with their situation

But what I know, is that setting boundaries with over bearing people is easier said than done.

The MIL didn't get this way overnight and she won't stop acting this way over one conversation.

The fiance spoke up, the mother ignored him, and kept on going. OP is trying to let her man handle it but it's not working. That's why they tried to loop in his father for back up.

MIL is relentless and won't go down without a major fight. She's using emotional manipulation to get her way.

Some people don't have it in them to fight all the way to the end and risk damaging the relationship permanently. Hopefully MIL will understand but it sounds like she won't and will characterize any push back from OP in a victim's light.

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u/Irishtemper98 Feb 04 '26

I get it. But if the relationship is damaged, it's because the boundary stomper won't back down. That's never Ops fault.

I never said the fight would be easy or she would back down after standing firm once. She won't.

But the fight will be worth it when she finally relents. And she will if she wants to be in their lives.

It only takes a few times of not relenting or making concessions, for them to quickly learn their reign of terror is coming to an abrupt end. This is when they tend to ramp up the bullshit and dispatch their flying monkeys.

Simply stand firm and clearly state that they can either respect that you are an adult and you no longer take orders from them or they can lose the privilege of being a part of your life. The decision is theirs, but you will not tolerate their shenanigans moving forward.

It's as easy and as hard as that. I can absolutely tell you it's worth the battle either way, though.

Hopefully, you end up with a more pleasant and healthy relationship. If not, you never have to deal with the stress and emotional manipulation again.

Win-win, in my opinion.

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u/SoCentralRainImSorry Feb 04 '26

How did the MIL get her hands on the save the date cards, anyway? Make sure she is nowhere near the wedding invitations when they go out.

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u/alwaysonesteptoofar Feb 04 '26

As long as we are clear that the groom is equally able to make choices if it is he preference to do something a certain way. It isn't just the lady's big day and that mentality is just as tiresome as the overbearing MIL issue.

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u/Irishtemper98 Feb 04 '26

Agreed. But I'm using Op because she's the one asking for advice.

Of course, it should go without saying that brides and grooms should be working together to create the celebration they BOTH want. This is not "the brides' day", it's their day.

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u/alwaysonesteptoofar Feb 05 '26

Sorry, didnt mean to be so snarky, there have been a few brainded "bad husband" comments, probably by the same kind of people who would rightfully be upset if we made attacking comments about a women who was equally a victim in a similar scenario. Poor dude obviously has been emotionally abused (at least) by his bitch mom for a few decades, same with the dad who wants her to have her way, and he is having women ask where his balls are. Double standards gets under my skin is all.

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u/birdsong_and_botany Feb 04 '26

Realistically, this is easier said than done if someone else is funding the wedding. It adds complexity when the person you’re saying no to is also paying for the event, and becomes much easier to say no if you’re not taking their money.

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u/Irishtemper98 Feb 04 '26 edited Feb 28 '26

Agreed. Never take money from controlling parents. Scale down the wedding or elope with close friends and drama free family. But never sell your autonomy, especially for an overpriced party.

You simply have to decide what is really important to you, the marriage or the dream wedding for social media boasting.

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u/vabirder Feb 05 '26

Agree. Stop being a doormat. Pay for everything yourselves. Or you are too young to get married.

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u/CantaloupeShort7311 Feb 05 '26

I don't either. Like NO is a complete sentence, MIL has zero say in anything. Use your wax seals, keep your guest list manageable, and stop giving in to the tantrums of a middle-aged woman.

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u/synthetic_aesthetic Feb 05 '26

The bath and body works products did me in.

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u/Irishtemper98 Feb 05 '26

Right? I died at that part. Not the Bath and Body Works.