r/Genshin_Lore • u/ghhostr • 9d ago
Sovereigns Do we really know nothing about the Sovereign Electro?
Edit: I just realized I wrote Electro Sovereign backwards.
Because honestly, I think we do know something about it… people just haven’t connected the pieces. Its story may have already been described in the Thundersoother artifact set, with the Beast of Thunder being the original Electro Sovereign.
The set tells the story of the "Beast of Thunder", a creature that once enslaved people with its lightning and demanded human sacrifices. Eventually, the family of a powerful human known as the Thundersoother was sacrificed as well. Filled with rage and armed with courage, he entered the beast’s cave and confronted it amidst a lightning storm, ultimately managing to behead it.
The ferocious Beast of Thunder once enslaved people with its mighty lightning.
Mighty as he was, the Thundersoother was a mere mortal with human feelings.
From this goblet was drunk the wine used in the sacrificial slaying of the Thundersoother's family.
From this goblet came the courage that helped the Thundersoother venture forth into the beast's cave.
The Thundersoother defeated the beast in a lightning storm.
Like the falcon, the Thundersoother conquered both thunder and flames, and eventually beheaded the Beast of Thunder.
I honestly don’t know why nobody has connected the Beast of Thunder to the Electro Sovereign yet, but here goes:
Tsurumi Island
First of all, the story very clearly takes place in Inazuma, specifically on Tsurumi Island. The set constantly references thunderstorms and a volcano.
Fearing neither the thunder nor the volcano.
And although present-day Inazuma has no volcanoes, we know that Tsurumi Island did experience volcanic activity in the past. The Thunderbird’s Mercy flower literally mentions surviving “in the volcanic ash” during Kapatcir’s destruction of the island:
A purple wild flower that survived in the volcanic ash.
Considering that Tsurumi Island is the only known location in Inazuma associated with volcanic activity, it heavily narrows down the setting of Thundersoother to the island.
Additionally, Thundersoother’s Plume explicitly mentions Kanna Kapatcir, also known as the Thunderbird, roaming the island:
The feather of a predatory bird that soars through lightning storms.
An insignia made in the shape of the plume of a falcon that soared through the storms.
Fearing neither the thunder nor the volcano, the falcon left its plume in the burnt woods.
Like the falcon, the Thundersoother conquered both thunder and flames.
So yes, the entire story seems to take place on Tsurumi.
The Beast of Thunder
Now, many people might assume that the Beast of Thunder was Kanna Kapatcir, but that is simply impossible. The Beast of Thunder was killed by a mere human who managed to behead it, meanwhile, Kapatcir was killed by Ei, and by a lightning.
As I mentioned, the Beast of Thunder was actually the original Electro Sovereign, which makes it even less likely for the two to be the same entity, especially since I theorize that Kanna Kapatcir was an angel (like Ursa).
So the Beast of Thunder was associated with storms, thunder, and lightning, it was hostile toward humanity, enslaving humans in the process, and of course, it wasn't Kanna Kapatcir. Realistically, what other creature in Inazuma fits all of these traits besides the Electro Sovereign itself?
When?
The fact that there are no clear records about either the Thundersoother or the Beast of Thunder in "modern" Inazuman history suggests that this event may have occurred before the Archon War, but after the War of Funerary Flame, considering that Kanna Kapatcir had already become a monster by then (assuming Kapatcir was originally an angel before the war).
With the information we currently have, this is how I would reconstruct the story:
After the Celestial Nail fell and destroyed the ancient civilization of Tsurumi Island, creating the fog, a group of people arrived on the now mist-covered island and formed a new tribe, also known as the Thunderbird’s civilization.
At some point during this period before the Archon War, the Electro Sovereign arrived on the island, or perhaps had always been there, settling within a cave. Over time, the dragon began enslaving the tribe with its power and demanding human sacrifices.
Eventually, the Thundersoother’s family was sacrificed as well, leading him to enter the creature’s cave and challenge it amidst a lightning storm. The Thundersoother prevailed, conquering thunder and flames alike, and ultimately beheaded the Electro Sovereign.
That's as far as I’ve managed to reconstruct the story so far. I'm still unsure how the tribe eventually came to worship Kanna Kapatcir or why they continued performing sacrifices.
One possible explanation is that the true history was lost over time, and the tribe eventually confused the events, believing that the Thunderbird had saved them and become the island’s protector.
The ancient tribe held the Thunderbird as its protector.
If it wasn't for the Great Thunderbird using the fog to protect the island, we'd have been goners long ago.
When darkness blanketed the world, the Thunderbird dispersed a mysterious fog to defend Tsurumi Island.
Just think about it, Kina... He said that a long, long time ago, when the darkness fell, the Great Thunderbird protected us using the Sea of Fog.
Human sacrifice would eventually evolve into a ritual tradition and an act of worship. But it's important to note that between the events of Thundersoother, supposedly occurring before the Archon War, over 3700 years ago, and the annihilation of the tribe by Kapatcir 1500 years ago, there is a gap of more than 2200 years. It's entirely reasonable that much of their original history would have been forgotten by then.
I still wonder who the Thundersoother truly was. If he really did kill the Electro Sovereign, then he must have been an incredibly important figure during Inazuma’s youkai era, and yet, in the present day, he receives none of the recognition he deserves.
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u/clfr6515 8d ago edited 8d ago
The Electro Sovereign's complete lack of presence even in books and in-game side material is odd. The Anemo, Geo, Dendro and Pyro Dragons all left their marks on their respective regions' histories, so even if they didn't appear directly, we'd still at least know about them. The Hydro Dragon is a bit of an outlier because most people don't actually know he's a dragon. He's been a core part of Fontaine society for the past 500 years, but obviously the fact that he's a dragon wasn't recorded anywhere. Also, Scylla was apparently a candidate for the Hydro Dragon as well, but he couldn't ascend during Egeria's imprisonment.
But the Electro Dragon is unique in that the only evidence that it ever existed lies purely in the fact that there are seven Sovereigns, one for each element. The fact that there is no mention of the Electro Sovereign anywhere in any ancient text or ruin implies that its last appearance predates Inazuma's written history. We can only assume that the original Electro Sovereign died long before Makoto and Ei's birth, before the humans of Inazuma could write, perhaps even before the first youkai. As for why there's never been mention of a successor anywhere, we can only guess. Perhaps something is actively preventing the Electro Sovereign's rebirth. Perhaps it HAS been reborn, just in a different form like Neuvillette and actually has made its mark on history, just not as a dragon. Perhaps Paimon mistook it for a Slime and ate it. We don't know. But I do think this is a loose end that Mihoyo's gonna have to deal with eventually.
EDIT: Also, it's worth pointing out that every Sovereign has had some sort of relationship with an Archon at some point in their lives. Some less amicable than others. So presumably, the ones most likely to know what's up with the Electro Sovereign are either Ei, or more likely Makoto. Who's dead.
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u/Court_esy 8d ago
If there is no evidence of it being dead we are just waiting for Hoyoverse to introduce it to the game. What you say makes lore wise total sense but the flow of new characters needs space for thematically strong character to attract pulls from the player audience.
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u/clfr6515 8d ago
Out of seven dragons, only one is playable. I don't think this is really a concern for them.
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u/ShadowMonarch1999 9d ago
Honestly, Kanna Kapatcir being an angel seems so much more interesting idea to explore than the thunder beast being sovereign purely because we dont know way too much about the thunder beast lol.
However Ursa being an angel has opened the can of worms that now i cant help but think if other angels transmutated into other beings too..or just draconoids. And whether Ursa was some specific angel native to mond..otherwise why would dvalin and venti let it run free unless they had some known relation to it..hence why Ursa was only sealed...until Dottore killed it.
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u/whatapiece2 5d ago edited 5d ago
In fact there are some textual implication in Nicole’s artifacts from 6.6.
“From lightless valleys and the far reaches of the outer seas, the most ancient masters of the earth also came forth to answer the call.”
We know Dragon Sovereigns are “the most ancient masters of the earth”, they joined in Koitar's revolution against Phanes.
The one from lightless valleys is obviously Geo Sovereign since we know Azhdaha have been sealed under earth for a long time.
And the other one from the far reaches of the outer seas, it can only be talking about The Dark Sea which out from Inazuma.
So now we have reason to assume that the Electro Sovereign is hidding in the dark sea, where the Archons can't reach.
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u/walaxometrobixinodri 8d ago
yeah, i'm not buying that. It could very well just be a random monster like hundreds and hundreds live in teyvat. + a Sovereign wouldn't be killed by a random human
can you also elaborate on Kana Kapactir and Ursa being angels ? this doesn't make any sense to me either
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u/ghhostr 8d ago
There aren't really that many random monsters lol, and Xiuhcoatl and Dvalin were defeated by humans. Idk why everyone thinks the sovereigns are invincible, any being with enough power to rival that of a god can defeat a sovereign. Decarabian defeated the anemo, both Venti and Varka were able to defeat Dvalin, Morax defeated Azhdaha, Deshret and Apep always tied, and Xbalanque defeated Xiuhcoatl. To understand Kapatcir and Ursa, read Nicole's voice lines and character stories (4 or 5) the angels who renounced their wisdom in favor of their power became beasts and monsters.
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u/walaxometrobixinodri 8d ago
there not being "that many" monsters isn't a reason for the only ones documented to for sure be related to others. The same way you could argue Orobaxi is the Electro Sovereign instead, because there aren't others we know
Dvalin is NOT The Anemo Sovereign, and Xiuhcoatl was defeated by XBALANQUE THE GOD DAMN PYRO ARCHON OF WAR HIMSELF while being at the weakest he ever was. Sovereigns aren't invincible, but they still are at the peak of Teyvat's powers. High doubt on Deshret being this relative to Apep, but can't argue on the Azhdaha part. this still means that a random human would never be on their level
Ursa being an angel is a reveal i wasn't expecting, baffled to see it's actually true
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u/ghhostr 8d ago
Dude, you should start doing the new AQ.
Sobek: To Apep, Al-Ahmar's pride and sense of superiority were nothing but ignorance and hubris. In fact, they fought numerous times, but usually the battle ended in a draw.
Orobashi isn't a dragon for obvious reasons. I'm not claiming that the beast of thunder is the electro sovereign here, I'm simply adding him to the list of candidates, of which only Kapatcir (who is probably an angel) is included. Dvalin is indeed the anemo sovereign, and Xiuhcoatl was defeated by Xbalanque when he was an ordinary mortal without special powers, I mean, even if he had a weakness, he was still the most powerful pyro dragon of all... And again Thundersoother wasn't just any human, he was quite powerful, enough to behead a sovereign.
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u/walaxometrobixinodri 8d ago
Proof that Dvalin is a Sovereign ?
Xiuhcoatl was corrupted by abyss, lost his mind, lost his weapons, lost his empire, and still ended in a draw. Healthy and sane xiuhcoatl would have COOKED xbalanque
"he was quite powerful, enough to behead a sovereign" still no proof the beast was the sovereign
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u/ghhostr 8d ago
He obviously would have cooked Xbalanque, dude, what part of he was an ordinary human with no special powers don't you get? I'm not going to explain all the evidence that proves Dvalin is the sovereign, you can look it up yourself. I said that assuming the beast of thunder was the electro sov. Don't overthink it, I already told you this is all just speculation.
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u/walaxometrobixinodri 8d ago
"Im not gonna explain all the evidence" well i think you gonna need to, because every single évidence i have ever seen points at Dvalin NOT being the sovereign
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u/ghhostr 8d ago
You definitely don't know how to research, which I've already noticed before btw. https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/s/6wK77aBdxH
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u/narium 6d ago
Jury's actually not out on Orobashi yet.
Toki Alley Tales vol I is an allegory for the HP invading Teyvat, and it ends up beings from both sides forgetting who they were and ending up on the "wrong" side.
The reason for Orobashi's death is also directly contradicted by the new Nicole SQ. He was supposedly executed for finding out the existence of the Seven Sovereigns and that HP invaded Teyvat but, none of that is proscribed information. Nicole has told all of it to us and the latest SQ reveals that she doesn't talk about things proscribed by the HP.
Nicole: I'm a responsible angel, after all — and I'm well aware of the difference between "what I want to say" and "what I'm allowed to say."
6.7 leaks ahead
There's also the sus af named puzzle named Dragons and Serpents were once one and the same.
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u/ghhostr 6d ago
No, Orobashi isn't a sovereign, he is literally called a demon god (魔神). It's said that before being defeated, he had a people whom he was forced to abandon, and that he only seeks to have people to guide, and experiments with vishaps. I don't know how some people still think it's possible that he is, when it has already been confirmed thousands of times that he is a god fighting against dragons. And I understood that he was sentenced to death for entering Enkanomiya.
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u/SoupmanBob 6d ago edited 6d ago
No he was sentenced to death for freeing the people of Enkanomiya. Orobashi gave up their life so they could go free and rejoin the world above.
Of course they'd have to give up all knowledge and memory of the place and even call it Enkanomiya and remember it as such instead of its original name - Delphi Pytho, a city-state that existed during the Hyperborean era.
The knowledge of that book and stuff about HP being an invader was why they were never allowed to return and forced to remain in Delphi Pytho. Freeing the people there required a sacrifice of Orobashi carrying and absorbing all their "sins" and dying for them. Freeing them from the past. Orobashi, the snake, literally did a Jesus Christ crucifixion equivalent.
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u/ghhostr 6d ago
Nope, Celestia had already condemned him to death before freeing them, in fact, the heavens themselves gave him the order to bring the people of Enkanomiya to the surface. Idk if that condition of forgetting the entire past existed, but yes.
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u/SoupmanBob 6d ago edited 6d ago
I mean Celestia pretty much assumed they were isolated down there unable to make contact with anyone else... Until Khaenri'ah made contact and their assumptions were proven to be bullshit.
The lore on the main Genshin Hoyolab wiki site also literally confirms that Celestia pushed Orobashi to sacrifice himself so that the humans of Enkanomiya could return to the surface and live "under the seven". So said condemnation was also part of the sacrifice. It says he basically spared no effort to prepare them to return to the surface, and we can kind of infer that he deliberately made their society regress in terms of knowledge and technology to ensure they wouldn't be forced to die with him. So you are correct, but I am too. ( https://wiki.hoyolab.com/m/genshin/entry/4908?lang=en-us )
(This entire section is speculation) Choice was basically between extinction or brainwashing them into forgetting everything. At that point I kinda think they didn't have the power to do extinction anymore. So they opted for sacrificing the one they'd already written off for knowing too much. And crafted an excuse to bury the forbidden knowledge within by also bringing the people out and forcing them to forget everything.
Edit: Oh yeah, the lore in the link also fully confirms without any doubt that Orobashi is not the Electro Sovereign. It says he's a being of the human realm.
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u/achen5265041 8d ago
Is there really evidence that the Beast of Thunder is the Electro Dragon Sovereign? So far, the evidence presented is that 1-The Beast of Thunder is associated with Electro, 2-The Beast of Thunder hated humanity for an undisclosed reason, and 3-It existed long before the Archon War.
Is there definitive proof that the Beast of Thunder is a dragon?
But does that necessarily mean it is the Electro Dragon Sovereign? At the very least it is a contender for the title, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is the only candidate.
In The Byakuyakoku Collection Vol 3, there is a mention of a different elemental being, Ouroboros, who was worshipped as "an imaginary serpent".
It would be used to guard secrets, imprison criminals, and worship the great imaginary serpent, Ouroboros.
In the earliest times, this place was called Delphi, the land of snakes. This name did not change even after the arrival of Watatsumi Omikami. Ancient art depicts the scaleless serpent as "Ouroboros," and the coral-adorned serpent as "Orobashi."
Delphi was the name of Enkanomiya prior to sinking (which occurred during the War of Funerary Flame). Additionally, it is likely that Delphi is why Before Sun and Moon even proves that Celestia came from beyond the stars (and as such, means it is before Celestia). However, this also does imply humanity existed prior to Celestia's arrival.
That passage may imply that Orobashi and Ouroboros existed at the same time, but that simply can't be the case given information presented in The Subterranean Trials of Drake and Serpent.
Aru: The Serpent's Heart is home to an altar that is considered the heart of the Cosmic Serpent. Before the coming of Watatsumi Omikami, we called this place The Heart of Ouroboros...
Aru: As such, that place was already known as Delphi, the Serpent's Land, even before the coming of Watatsumi Omikami.
Delphi was named as such because of Ouroboros, and this was prior to Orobashi coming in. It's possible that both serpents coexisted with one another, but it's also possible Ouroboros already died (hence "imaginary serpent").
But there isn't anything connecting Ouroboros to Electro. Even if we do assume Ouroboros is a dragon, there isn't a connection to the Electro Element.
However, we do know that when any God/Elemental being dies, their power gets released into Teyvat to directly affect the world, and this can directly be correlated to elemental power-Kanna Kapatcir's death led to thunderstorms over Tsurumi Island, along with many other examples happening. But there's absolutely nothing talking about what happened to Ouroboros after it died, nor anything indicative of Ouroboros dying at all. It's entirely possible Ouroboros died in the depths of Enkanomiya to ensure the elemental backlash didn't affect the surface world.
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u/LaceyLizard 8d ago
I mean the real life sanctuary of Delphi was also guarded by a mythological giant snake that was slain by Apollo, and was often represented as a dragon...
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u/ghhostr 8d ago
It's more of a supposition than anything else. Obviously, those characteristics don't make it a dragon, but it's about all we have, and it's the closest thing we have to a possible electro sovereign dragon. I also considered Ouroboros some time ago, and I concluded that it was either a fictional god (literally called the "imaginary" serpent), or a personification or form of worship of Istaroth. Both Istaroth and Ouroboros were worshipped before Orobashi, and the place where Ouroboros was worshipped had been the site of a space overlap phenomenon. Furthermore, the symbol of Ouroboros (a serpent devouring its own tail) signifies the eternal cycle of things.
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u/LSAT343 Pearl Galley 9d ago edited 9d ago
There was a strong case from an old post that the current Raiden was the electro sovereign, and her physical body is buried somewhere under Mt. Yougou. I'm gonna look for that post and link it. Afaik it could be dated because I still haven't done this patches AQ so take it with a grain salt. Brb
EDIT: Ok so I might've mixed up this post with another one explicitly calling her the Electro Sovereign or I'm being delulu after 8 hours of doing Fourier Analysis. Either way I'm probably wrong so best of luck OP. This post by u/Master_Bank_7546 is still an excellent read, though I don't know how well it holds up now near the end of Nod Krai.
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u/Main_coorp 9d ago edited 9d ago
I think the Electro sovereign have perish ( probably killed by thundersoother just like you said) and nor
1) His remains are seald under Inazuma (who has witnessed huge flooding so maybe a part of the seal is under water). And i will probably have been done by Phanes, just like how they put Egeria in the primordial sea to perturbe Neuvilette's reincarnation cycle.
2) Or in the purple sea that is between Inazuma and Sumeru. Some NPC's told us about this place and says that sea is where sea monster come from and they could birth by The electro souvereign elemental energy.
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u/LuxGenshin 7d ago
Unfortunately "volcanic ash" in CN isn't actually a thing last time I asked someone? I remember theorizing something similar though... but yeah idt Thundering Fury says Tsurumi Island was volcanic in CN
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u/Illustrious_Arm_5238 9d ago
Ehhh no.
- Ningún artefacto jamás ha tenido a un soberano como protagonista, a los mucho solo tienen una mención en las historias de alguien más (como los mini cameos de Nibelung y Xiuhcoatl para las historias de Voyager y Kukulkan) o son historias relacionadas con alguien de su corte (Scylla y Kulkukan), pero ellos mismos? Ni una sola vez.
- Jamás van a hacer a uno de ellos alguien intrínsecamente malvado. Sorry pero ya es obvio. El Dragón Electro esclavizando gente por si mismo? Sí, no está pasando. Incluso ellos hicieron que Apep, abiertamente hostil hacia los humanos, dejara por voluntad propia que la gente de Sumeru se asentara en SUS tierras, prosperara e hiciera casas. "Pe-pero Xiuhcoatl..." Observa bien como los escritores le lavaron las manos. Paso casi todo el tiempo durmiendo y cuando estaba despierto solo tenía mente para construir su bomba contra el abismo, nunca lo hicieron fijarse en los humanos, solo el abismo estaba en su mente. En cambio, hicieron que los Dragon Lords asumirán toda la culpa en su "ausencia" y especialmente dejaron a Kukulkan como alguien muy manipulador en los WQ, pero el Dragón Pyro en si mismo? Nope, él estaba inconsciente u ocupado. "Y Nibe-" No. Incluso ahora en los artefactos nuevos lo están glazeando indirectamente. Simplemente no está pasando. El Dragón Electro no será malvado, puedes apostarlo.
- Qué te hace pensar que se quedó en Inazuma? O mejor dicho, cuál es la insistencia de que esté allá? Por alguna razón desconocida los vishap hydro están en Inazuma aunque ellos son de Fontaine. La profecía del Dragón Hydro también se hizo allá. Podría el Dragón Hydro haber muerto en tierras extranjeras? Quién sabe, pero podría ser exactamente lo mismo para Electro. Y en futuro encontraremos vishaps electro reales en otro lado.
- Y si solo murió en la Primera Guerra? Ahí acabo todo.
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u/ghhostr 9d ago
If that's really the case, they still have to explain who the Thundersoother was and the Beast of Thunder that he killed. I think the electro sovereign stayed in Inazuma because, coincidentally, all the other sovereigns, except for the cryo (although perhaps its body was used to create the Fae), stayed in their respective nations, including the hydro sovereign, who died in Fontaine. Nothing prevents the electro sovereign from being that evil btw, and the existence of a dragon that could never tolerate humanity would be quite interesting.
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u/Illustrious_Arm_5238 9d ago
Serán personajes históricos como en cualquier otra nación. No hay ninguna confirmación que el Hydro haya muerto en Fontaine. Así como no hay explicación de porqué la mayoría de los vishaps hydro está en tierras extranjeras, si es que eso es una pista. Sí, sí lo previene. A estas alturas de la historia ya deberías haber notado la narrativa que impulsan con respecto al comportamiento de los soberanos. Hacen misiones para que ayuden de una forma u otra, sea o no de su agrado, y crean otros personajes para absolverlos de cualquier culpa u inconveniente como con Xiuhcoatl. No está siendo malvado 🙏
Te refieres al cupo que ya ocupa Apep? Porque eso es lo máximo que tendrás de intolerancia. Y no, alguien más malvado no lo haría interesante, lo haría una mierda 🙂 Ellos son las víctimas de una colonización aquí.
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u/ghhostr 9d ago
There's no official confirmation, but it can be inferred. Scylla, the Hydro Sovereign's most loyal servant, remained on Fontaine. If the Hydro Sovereign had left Fontaine, Scylla would have followed him. Most of the vishaps aren't in foreign lands, there are still on Fontaine. I'd say half the group escaped to the Dark Sea, while the others stayed. I don't think they're the only victims, dragons are arrogant, even if their planet is doomed, which is why the Moon Sisters allowed the HP.
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u/Illustrious_Arm_5238 9d ago edited 9d ago
O Scylla volvió a Fontaine 🙂 Como será la cantidad de vishaps hydro que hay en Inazuma que temian que el Dragón Hydro renaciera ALLÁ pero nunca en Fontaine. Haz que tenga sentido.
No me interesa si los humanos sufren o no, eso será problema del colonizador asqueroso que los puso en un planeta que no es suyo matando el ecosistema anterior. A nadie le interesa si son arrogantes o no, no tiene nada que ver con sus estatus de víctimas. "Tal vez los indigenas eran malvados y los españoles fueron visionarios" Sí, a la mierda con eso. Pero no tengo que preocuparme por eso nunca más, si lavaron la imagen de Xiuhcoatl, se qué esto nunca más será un problema.
Las hermanas lunas me tienen sin cuidado, obtuvieron lo que se merecían por ser incompetentes y el AQ se encargó de hacer énfasis en como la cagaron. Literal es para lo único que existe ese fragmento en la misión. Y en la 6.7 volveremos a remarcar una vez más lo incompetentes que fueron y que debieron haber actuado a tiempo, tirando a PO bajo el autobús de paso. Luce bien.
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u/rloco 8d ago
Ahorita en Inazuma el único candidato a dragón es Orobachi, ya que tiene un pasado que se remonta al menos a la época de la civilización antigua, también hace referencia de que su raza y estirpe lo rechazo porque cometió blasfemia, sin contar que el también tenía el poder electro.
En contra o favor, es su aspecto de serpiente blanca gigante, algo que no encaja, aunque esto mismo le da posibilidades de hubiera sido el dragón soberano electro ya que todos los dragones soberano era serpentinas o al menos la mayoría que conocemos.
No el ave del trueno no es un ángel ni el dragón soberano del trueno.
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u/ghhostr 8d ago
What? 😭💀
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u/Temporary-Net6855 7d ago
Why are people so against orabashi to be electro dragon. There was no evidence that all dragons looked similar and its is possible that some looked different then others look at apep and orabashi. You will find similarities in structure.
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u/ThinkLettuces 7d ago
I'm assuming they aren't one because of the difficulties performing grafting from its body onto the Bathysmal Vishaps:
All previous attempts at grafting have failed. ("Void-907-Watatsumi Omikami's Special Orders: I"). Because they cannot accept Watatsumi Omikami's blood, the vishaps will fall victim to various adverse effects.
The grafting can be considered a success. ("Void-907-Watatsumi Omikami's Special Orders: III"). The rejection originates from the vishaps having been beings of the Light Realm (also known as elemental creatures), and thus being at odds with the Human Realm, of which Omikami and its coral vassals are a part.
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u/Gakamis 9d ago
Too long didn't read, but there is something supposedly sealed under Inazuma islands (the one where the nuclear reactor is at least). Tho that's 2.0 lore that might have been retconned by now.
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u/ghhostr 9d ago
It's really very short 😭. In summary, the Electro Sovereign is the Beast of Thunder described in the Thundersoother artifact set, and it was killed by a human on Tsurumi Island. Regarding what's sealed under Kannazuka, I think it could be anything but the Electro Sovereign. Actually, the Thunder Sakura are protecting whatever is there, it's hard to imagine they were planted to protect a sovereign, not to mention that that sealed being has to be related to the cataclysm, because the trees were planted after it.
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u/ShadowMonarch1999 9d ago
I mean they could be there to heal the sovereign or something. According to Apep some dragons aligned themselves with humans. Apep, cannot know what happens with other dragons telepathically, this is why she still thinks that Hydro Dragon is plotting his revenge. She can only sense that the authority has returned to him.
So if Neuvi isnt the dragon that decided to co-exist with humanity..who is? Dvalin should have been born wayyyyyyyyyy later. Remember that for the past 2-2.5 millenia Apep has been suffering due to forbidden knowledge. No way she knows Dvalin. Dvalin is too young for this.
Azhdaha too was unearthed much after the fall of sovereign dragons.
She clearly does not know much about what Neuv is doing. Except the fact that he exists nad has regained the authority.
Xiuhcoatl had died at the hands of Xbalanque.AKA we have not met a single dragon from Apep's era who sided with Humanity YET. Who knows it was the electro sovereign..maybe he/she is slumbering under the land and got corrupted during the 500 year old cataclysm. Sacred sakura might be cleansing him but maybe thats why things got haywire. So it is entirely possible that the priestess was worried about the condition of the sovereign dragon there.
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u/achen5265041 9d ago
It's very possible Apep knows that the Natlanese Pyro Dragons aligned themselves with humanity (albeit Apep shouldn't know about the Dragons becoming Saurians), given that Xiuhcoatl was suffering from Abyssal corruption and thus his death at the hands of Xbalanque was to end Xiuhcoatl's suffering & to try and prevent Xiuhcoatl from becoming a 2nd Nibelung (Dragon corrupted by Abyss wrecking havoc across Teyvat.
I don't think the Cataclysm would lead to any of the dragon sovereigns being corrupted by the Abyss, the Celestial Nail dropped on Khaenri'ah was meant to prevent that along with multiple Archons gathering there.
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u/srakusho 8d ago
I just think about the what is underneath Thunder Sakura tree around Tatarasuna .. I believe Miyuki remarks that the Thunder Sakura "serve to suppress the one who lies beneath.